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    Alacran's Avatar
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    Maeror Montealvo
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    I guess i'm the only one that feels both Viera & Hrothgar options were sacrificed due to the uniqueness of the Hrothgar head build.

    Since both had unique issues with Viera ears & Hrothgar heads, the fact that simply allowing ears to clip through for Viera would have been highlighted by the fact Hrothgar cannot even change their hair style without a phial of Fantasia...

    I feel the fact that certain aspects of both races need to be addressed first.

    Namely, the fact that no in game rewards/ mog station purchases have warnings that specific items (hair & hat/helm) cannot be visually seen with Viera/ Hrothgar. If for nothing more, to allow players to make more informed decisions before buying mog station items they cannot use as intended, therefore wasting gil & much worse actual cash.

    At the end of the day, this really is not an issue for me as i have only have one of each race as alts & those are very rarely ever used. However for those that use them as their main, i cannot begin to imagine the frustration buying items in game or worse, from the mog station that my character can't even visually show off.
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post
    Namely, the fact that no in game rewards/ mog station purchases have warnings that specific items (hair & hat/helm) cannot be visually seen with Viera/ Hrothgar. If for nothing more, to allow players to make more informed decisions before buying mog station items they cannot use as intended, therefore wasting gil & much worse actual cash.
    Mogstation did get updated. It does say when items can't be used by viera and hrothgar. It also looks like they updated to include a clipping warning:

    Gear appears differently depending on the character's race. Certain combinations of gear and character type may cause clipping issues.
    This head gear will not be displayed when equipped by Hrothgar or Viera characters.
    Good thing they added this, but at launch it definitely wasn't there. As for in-game rewards, yeah, I don't think you really know unless you attempt to try it on as that race(?).

    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Oh wow... Didn't realize that the hairstyles actually had no hat adaptible option at all! good point... Though, if it's mostly about that, then it's even lamer, because Viera and Hroth doesn't even have a lot of hairstyles to begin with. It's literally just a matter of work, to adapt the hairstyles, and not just some crazy tinkering holding them back.
    Right? I'm still holding out hope that Viera will get a ton of new hairs or something 6.0, hrothgar with the whole fantasia thing sucks the most.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yencat View Post
    It's obviously not the only reason, but it's a pretty big one I imagine.

    And because it seems they decided pretty early on that mostly no headgear was the way to go they went a bit nuts designing some of the hairstyles for Viera, several of them have so much volume on the sides and in the back I'm not even sure you can properly cull them or squish them down to even look nice under something as simple as a bandana without ruining the hairstyle itself or causing the headgear texture to stretch to a ridiculous degree.

    Hrothgar has the horned face which could cause problems (Do you remove it temporarily? Let it clip through the front like Au Ra horns?) but otherwise look much more hopeful for some wearable hats than Viera honestly, but they're in their own unique predicament with the Fantasia hair change situation and really only 2 hairstyles per face.

    They made a big mess creating these races to a very narrow, specific vision seemingly without taking into account how players would take being left on the sidelines for every future hairstyle or headgear piece, at least until people kept being vocal about it and they gave a vague "it isn't the best situation and we will continue to work towards alleviating these issues and making them better in the future and finding ways to make things work".

    I'm somewhat hopeful they'll do what they said they would but it feels more like PR speak and we'll get thrown a few scraps at some point but no major changes. They really designed themselves into a corner here so it'll be difficult to try and make these races equal to the others (and I don't think that was ever their intent either) without fundamentally reworking them. It seems like they think the "uniqueness" makes up for the lack of everything else.

    But after one and a half year I've become pretty cynical so I'd love for them to make me eat my words and prove me wrong.
    They could always do what other games do and like use a universal hat "hair". I like how creative they were with the viera hairs, but because of this it looks like we have gotten a complete lack of options, and no access to purchased hairstyles - not even the promised racial specific at this point.

    I've gotta say, I don't really think the limitations were worth this whole unique vision or whatever for viera/hrothgar. Not being limited, and having access to what the other races have would have been better..

    If we don't get anything by 6.0, at best I will be pleasantly surprised if these races receive any updates, but I won't hope or even expect them at that point. So many years with nothing by then..
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