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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    I'm assuming tomestones and the likes are delayed as well.
    There's not much reason to delay anything else alongside savage.
    Crafting: That's a major reason to delay it, so that people have a chance to craft gear before it in a reasonable time frame.
    Tomestones: At most you could get either one extra accessory, or upgrade your one accessory into a left-side piece of gear. This is at most increasing your overall ilvl by 1.
    All they'd have to do to account for this, if they even felt they had to, is increase the DPS check by about 0.5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    I'm assuming tomestones and the likes are delayed as well.
    Yeah, I wonder how that would work too.
    Assuming it's like start of the expansion, extreme and crafted would be available from the start whilst savage and tomestone would come later.
    But does that mean that the current tomestone would be unlocked for 1 week without having anything to replace it?
    So many questions..
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  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    There's not much reason to delay anything else alongside savage.
    Perhaps, and that would be preferable for me, but they do delay crafted gear and the capped tomestone along with Savage on .05 patches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endariel View Post
    Yeah, I wonder how that would work too.
    Assuming it's like start of the expansion, extreme and crafted would be available from the start whilst savage and tomestone would come later.
    But does that mean that the current tomestone would be unlocked for 1 week without having anything to replace it?
    So many questions..
    Crafted is not available from the start, but alongside Savage and the capped tomestone, in patch x.05.

    It would be really weird if they try to do that on x.2 and x.4 patches.
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  4. #144
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    Honestly I wish all content was more spread out.

    I dont feel main story quests should be released at the same time as an extreme trial or a savage raid or an ultimate fight.

    If this was done, I would feel more people would be more active more often, which is good for the entire playerbase.

    Also the game would be updated more often, and be down less often or at least feel less often.

    This is just my opinion.
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  5. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Honestly I wish all content was more spread out.

    I dont feel main story quests should be released at the same time as an extreme trial or a savage raid or an ultimate fight.

    If this was done, I would feel more people would be more active more often, which is good for the entire playerbase.

    Also the game would be updated more often, and be down less often or at least feel less often.

    This is just my opinion.
    If contents are more spread out, rewards should be less timegated (daily and weekly cap rewards should be higher, etc.).
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  6. #146
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    I disagree with you wholeheartedly. World prog teams are forced to hire crafters to get their gear ASAP and even normal people that want to jump into Savage day one are forced to farm scrips to get all their crafting books, gather mats for 8 people and craft everything in a single afternoon + clear the four normal floors.
    And in cases like 5.4 where MNK is being reworked pretty heavily it would be nice to give them the time to theorycraft their new rotation properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Skipping every bit of story aside is a personal choice, one that wouldn't be necessary if others are empathetic enough to understand why one might want to not skip the story, at least for the raid.
    We've been over this before. If two or three people in the group want to watch story and the remaining don't, you're at an impasse where some members of the group are going to be disappointed. The solution shouldn't be "well, you three who like story go find another static that doesn't want to raid when patch drops." And as Liam highlighted earlier. You only get that early prog feel the actual week of. Blind prog therefore is just artificially handicapping yourself. Not to mention, it becomes that much harder to both avoid spoilers and even find players who want to prog blind. Additionally, if those players progging week one have friends who don't raid--either at patch drop, or at all--who they enjoy doing the story with. Someone will inevitably be disappointed there.

    Now if every piece of content functioned this way; where the devs said here's everything. Pick and choose what you want to do first. Your side would have a more compelling argument. That isn't the case. Literally everything else is delayed precisely to avoid conflicts and make players feel rushed. This includes Ishgard and even Ultimate.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 12-08-2020 at 02:11 AM.
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  8. #148
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    Would be nice if you could at least farm extreme primal weapon before savage raid open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    We've been over this before.
    Yes, and your argument still doesn't make sense because:

    You only get that early prog feel the actual week of.
    It shouldn't take more than hour to go through the normal raid with watching cutscenes and reading dialogs, especially if you do it with your static.

    Now if every piece of content functioned this way; where the devs said here's everything. Pick and choose what you want to do first. Your side would have a more compelling argument. That isn't the case. Literally everything else is delayed precisely to avoid conflicts and make players feel rushed. This includes Ishgard and even Ultimate.
    Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't mind less/no timegating of content considering we only have 16 weeks between major patches.

    Be that as it may, I at least don't want more timegating of the reward that I go for every major patch. Again, as long as that doesn't happen, which is still a concern, I don't care if they delay content I don't do, though I understand others still might.
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    Last edited by linayar; 12-08-2020 at 07:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Yes, and your argument still doesn't make sense because:

    It shouldn't take more than hour to go through the normal raid with watching cutscenes and reading dialogs, especially if you do it with your static.
    Still, no time to gather and craft all the new gear, so it doesn't matter how long you take to do the story. And the "but you can choose not to craft the gear" argument is totally invalid here.


    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Be that as it may, I at least don't want more timegating of the reward that I go for every major patch. Again, as long as that doesn't happen, which is still a concern, I don't care if they delay content I don't do, though I understand others still might.
    We're talking about what would benefit more people, and delaying it 1 or 2 weeks would help more people than releasing everytning on the same time. While I understand some people wants everything released the same day, there's a huge majority that wants a little bit of delay. Actually, there's little to debate here.
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