Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
What.
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People are illogical creatures and Ascians are manipulators, not hard to see how a group of people who have been repeatedly downtrodden want to seek revenge against those that caused their situation(I never once brought up morality into this, that is your words in my mouth, stop that now), and finally given the means to do so after centuries of endurement(and that is what was going on, if the Ascians hadn't intervened Garleans may have been wiped out due to how harsh northern Ilsabard is supposedly).

Look at Bozja storyline for exactly this scenario and how long hatred can be passed down (since 4th calamity/Umbral era) so Garleans holding a grudge for 600 years of mistreatment(and that is putting it mildly if your forced to move your entire civilisation multiple times it is a bit more than mistreatment) is a drop in the ocean compared to that.

A nation that just took back lands they used to own and stopped is easier to talk to and get them to see how they are treating those they have subjugated is wrong(a point I never brought up you did so I am now addressing it), than an all aggressive nation that Garlemald is. The whole point I made about if they stopped at just Ilsabard was a hypothetical scenario because of what really happened, it is why I used the very obvious wording of 'IF'. You even reinforce my point of why that didn't happen due to Emet-Selch, where was I wrong?

Are the Garleans wrong for wanting to take back land that used to belong to them hundreds of years ago? No
Are they right? No
Are the Garleans wrong to take lands from people who had no history to them? Yes
Do the people of Ilsabard deserve the same freedom like Doma/Ala Mhigo from the empire? Yes(again a point I did not even bring up yet you did so here is my answer)

Garlemald as a nation is a villain but they weren't originally, they were molded into one, through repeated abuse by other civilisations and Ascian machinations. The people of Ilsabard are not innocent little saplings that must be protected at all cost, their ancestors help create what Garlemald became and at this point I'd say just go redo HW to see why I say this and why i view Ilsabard more harshly.

Do the people of Ilsabard believe they are innocent of not causing Garlemald to be formed? Can't rightly say, we can go to one town at the moment and they may have done nothing to the Garlean people, too little information at this point.

But the fact is the people of Ilsabard caused the Garleans people to go further north to a harsher environment to suit their own needs at the time. The people of Ilsabard are partly responsible (emphasis on partly, as most was Ascian involvement) for the reason Garlemald is the way it is, and I'd like if we ever go to Ilsabard to see some acknowledgement on that fact because if we get we're all innocent of any wrong doing because evil empire will just be disappointing.