I heard the Special Task Force is going to hitt the bots hard now, that the patch has

[Jojoya]

Of course you have a way of knowing when a character is created, just look at their serial number. And of course the age is of interest, because the character isn't old enough for the players claim to be correct. Unless, as I pointed out, that isn't the main character.

I also must say that you're way of reacting, both here and in other similar posts, makes one wonder if you are supporting the botting stuff yourself. I am not the first one to point that out either.

What I'm supporting is common sense and realism instead of conspiracy theories. I'm supporting thinking things through instead of knee-jerk reactions because you have a need to feel offended and/or victimized when things aren't to your personal satisfaction.

I'm supporting basic courtesy and decency when interacting with your fellow human beings, whether they are players or SE employees or even just a random stranger you encounter walking down the street.

The bot problem is in every MMO, and every MMO struggles to combat it. It is not a simple problem to solve like some want to believe or MMOs would have been rid of bots years ago. The fight goes on and SE is part of it even if some of you want to think they don't care and are ignoring it.

When it comes to the markets, SE can get rid of the bots and it's still not going to make you guys happy because bots aren't the major cause of the current market status. Too many sellers, especially ignorant sellers that don't understand what drives a healthy market, and not enough buyers is the cause.

Now that you can lay at SE's feet because they made it too easy to for players to level up crafting and gathering, then further reduced the difficulty of recipes compared to the power on available gear. You can HQ anything level 70 or below in 2 steps (3 steps for the level 70 master recipes). That's over 300 items crafted an hour if you have the mats on hand and empty inventory space on a retainer or FC chest to move items to when your character's inventory fills up. Master 8 recipes? They're just 19 steps, that's 50-60 an hour.

Of course the markets are in a mess. Players have unprecedented access they lacked in the past and more of those players have decided they want their piece of the marketboard gil pie.

Are some bots taking advantage? Sure, but get rid of the bots and you're not going to see a notable change. Most of the problem is caused by players who don't understand what it takes to have a healthy market.

I guess go on with your personal attacks, though. You don't seem to have a position you're capable of discussing constructively when attacking others who agree that bots are a problem is the best you can do.

[Angelhearth]

Much of what you're saying holds true, but there are a few points I would like to make.

What I'm supporting is common sense and realism instead of conspiracy theories. I'm supporting thinking things through instead of knee-jerk reactions because you have a need to feel offended and/or victimized when things aren't to your personal satisfaction.

It is a war going on, choose side.

The bot problem is in every MMO, and every MMO struggles to combat it. It is not a simple problem to solve like some want to believe or MMOs would have been rid of bots years ago. The fight goes on and SE is part of it even if some of you want to think they don't care and are ignoring it.

Yes, they have bots in every game, but FFXIV is extreme. I know you try to point to WoW, but that's peanuts in comparison, mostly because Blizzard have given the players tools to combat bots when it comes to the market place, and bots doing nodes are not much of a problem, compared to the market.

I guess go on with your personal attacks, though. You don't seem to have a position you're capable of discussing constructively when attacking others who agree that bots are a problem is the best you can do.

I've tried discussing constructively several times, both about bots and about the way players use the markets, it doesn't help. And the attack you're talking about was more of a try to uncover a person with a hidden agenda. That player could easily have countered my attack by posting from a character that wasn't under a month old, but chose not to, giving credence to my accusation.

[Jojoya]

I've tried discussing constructively several times, both about bots and about the way players use the markets, it doesn't help. And the attack you're talking about was more of a try to uncover a person with a hidden agenda. That player could easily have countered my attack by posting from a character that wasn't under a month old, but chose not to, giving credence to my accusation.

There was no hidden agenda in what that other poster said. That was you reaching for ways to try to discredit their opinion when there was no reason for it.

Agree or disagree with what is said. Don't attack the poster.

[Angelhearth]

There was no hidden agenda in what that other poster said. That was you reaching for ways to try to discredit their opinion when there was no reason for it.

Agree or disagree with what is said. Don't attack the poster.

The hidden agenda was the same as what you are being accused of by some, to white wash the botters.

[Jojoya]

The hidden agenda was the same as what you are being accused of by some, to white wash the botters.

Again, there is no hidden agenda.

Stop with your conspiracy theories or you're going to get reported for harassment.

[Angelhearth]

Again, there is no hidden agenda.

Stop with your conspiracy theories or you're going to get reported for harassment.

What harassment?

[Jojoya]

What harassment?

Be prepared to pay the penalty if you fail to figure it out.

Stop attacking other posters.