Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Other than to lock people out of equipping different gear than the stuff they queued in, which is still 100% a viable option.

Unfortunately, this really wouldn't have the effect you're hoping for.

If someone is going to make the conscious effort to cheese the ilvl, they'll do so if you give them even the slightest opening to exploit. You can buy an NQ set of 115 left side from ishgard with zero effort, then go to Ul'dah and buy a full set of i28 accessories to get an ilvl of 81 (if my math is correct) - a zero effort low ilvl-CT compliant cheese for a gearset that most players wont bother looking at and if someone ever does ask, can be easily deflected with 'was the best stuff I had'. The thing your fix would accomplish would make it so now instead of using their super synced down gear to make the experience quicker for the rest of the alliance, they're now stuck in sub-par gear and prolonging the instance for the rest of the 23 people. But that person still got their CT and all the new players, players who only have CT unlocked, players doing CT for the MSQ, and random people queuing for alliance roulette can still easily carry them, and does nothing to dis-incentivize from cheesing CT.

The only way to disincentive cheesing for CT is to make the other raids give bonus exp that makes them much more value or drag every raid down to CT's difficulty level that people wont care what they get since it'll all be ultra snoozefest near impossible to wipe steamroll no matter what. Alternatively, forcing strict ilvl syncs that make CT harder than later raids.

[Tridus]

The only way to disincentive cheesing for CT is to make the other raids give bonus exp that makes them much more value or drag every raid down to CT's difficulty level that people wont care what they get since it'll all be ultra snoozefest near impossible to wipe steamroll no matter what. Alternatively, forcing strict ilvl syncs that make CT harder than later raids.

Or up the ilvl requirement to queue for the roulette to be that of the highest level raid you have unlocked and are at level for. Meaning once you hit 60, if you've EVER done Dun Scaith, you can't queue at all until you meet the requirement of Dun Scaith. That eliminates the cheese, because the only way to do it is to never do any alliance raid after CT. It also means someone gearing up may not be able to queue for the roulette, which is its own problem.

The easiest solution at this point is to remove the ilvl requirement from anything in the roulette except the current stuff. Queueing nearly naked accomplishes nothing at that point because you'll still draw from everything available at your level.

It's a fixable problem. I just don't think SE sees it as that big of a problem, which is probably because it's more common here. JP players don't have the same fear of having to actually be awake in Alliance Roulette that NA players have.

[Commander_Justitia]

ilvl130 shouldn't be max ilvl for labyrinth of ancient(i50) or syrcus tower(i70), you skip major mechanics at every boss nowadays ...

If they would limit the itemlevel a little bit, people wouldn't care what they get.

The same way i270 shouldn't be max ilvl for void ark(i175) and i400 for rabanastre (i305)

If you just want the loot, unsync it. They only have to make labyrinth of the ancients soloable.

[Packetdancer]

The only way to disincentive cheesing for CT is to make the other raids give bonus exp that makes them much more value or drag every raid down to CT's difficulty level that people wont care what they get since it'll all be ultra snoozefest near impossible to wipe steamroll no matter what. Alternatively, forcing strict ilvl syncs that make CT harder than later raids.

Honestly, I don't think CT needs to be harder than later raids. But if the raids did get rebalanced now and then for current gear, I think it wouldn't be a bad thing. World of Darkness, Dun Scaith, and Orbonne should be similar levels of difficulty; there can be some variance, but I think it'd be a better experience for the game—and ESPECIALLY for people getting those raids for the first time—if they were content that actually had a little bit of challenge to them.

But that's not even just a roulette thing; I know sprouts who've been disappointed that things like Cape Westwind, or Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium, or the Crystal Tower, are built up in NPC dialogue and cutscenes as this Big Epic Fight and then people just waltz through as casually as going to get a glass of water. It feels like a letdown.

[Jojoya]

Or up the ilvl requirement to queue for the roulette to be that of the highest level raid you have unlocked and are at level for. Meaning once you hit 60, if you've EVER done Dun Scaith, you can't queue at all until you meet the requirement of Dun Scaith. That eliminates the cheese, because the only way to do it is to never do any alliance raid after CT. It also means someone gearing up may not be able to queue for the roulette, which is its own problem.

Then you take away someone's ability to use the roulette for XP for alt jobs they're trying to level. Do you consider that a good thing?

[Morningstar1337]

The issue with that is that is it content designed to be repeated. And as such it might be a turn off to some of you wind up in an instance that last an hour for relatively little Reward, Prae at least has the extra XP, but Castrum and the AR's don't have that luxury.

It comes back to the efficiency point and players being spoiled, as well as the desire to attach carrots so that people can actually fill the queves.

Though it has me wondering how the XI community handled getting groups for old content.

[Tridus]

Then you take away someone's ability to use the roulette for XP for alt jobs they're trying to level. Do you consider that a good thing?

It doesn't block that, because a job that's 55 would have the ilvl requirement for the highest thing they could do: World of Darkness. At 60 it would go up, but at 60 they can get the gear to keep up with that anyway.

The issue it creates is that you can't use it to gear up if you don't have something that qualifies anymore, and that's an issue. Which is why just removing the ilvl limits on the non-current ones entirely is an even easier solution. If you're 70, you qualify for Orbonne. Period. Zone in naked? Well then you're dumb and probably going to get kicked. But it's no longer a free pass to do Labyrinth of Mechanics Are For Cars.

(lowering CT's ilvl sync so people have to actually pay attention would help too. It's comically ridiculous right now.)

[HakaseNyan]

Or up the ilvl requirement to queue for the roulette to be that of the highest level raid you have unlocked and are at level for. Meaning once you hit 60, if you've EVER done Dun Scaith, you can't queue at all until you meet the requirement of Dun Scaith. That eliminates the cheese, because the only way to do it is to never do any alliance raid after CT. It also means someone gearing up may not be able to queue for the roulette, which is its own problem.

The easiest solution at this point is to remove the ilvl requirement from anything in the roulette except the current stuff. Queueing nearly naked accomplishes nothing at that point because you'll still draw from everything available at your level.

It's a fixable problem. I just don't think SE sees it as that big of a problem, which is probably because it's more common here. JP players don't have the same fear of having to actually be awake in Alliance Roulette that NA players have.

You have an idea here. It's not wrong, but it's not entirely correct either. The system knows what you can get with the roulette. It knows your levels, unlocked duties, and your item-level.

The problem: It's enforcing item-level at the lowest tier; regardless of what you have unlocked (Lv50 - LOTA)
The solution: Enforcing item-level dependent on what is unlocked & current class/job level. (Lv50/60/70/80)

We don't know why this isn't a thing already. It could be an oversight, or it could be intentional. However, there are multiple roulettes that match the same rules as Alliance Raids; Level 50/60/70 dungeon, Leveling, Trials, Normal Raids. Each of these roulettes can be exploited in the same manner as Alliance Raids. If they change one, they may have to change them all.

[RyuDragnier]

You have an idea here. It's not wrong, but it's not entirely correct either. The system knows what you can get with the roulette. It knows your levels, unlocked duties, and your item-level.

The problem: It's enforcing item-level at the lowest tier; regardless of what you have unlocked (Lv50 - LOTA)
The solution: Enforcing item-level dependent on what is unlocked & current class/job level. (Lv50/60/70/80)

We don't know why this isn't a thing already. It could be an oversight, or it could be intentional. However, there are multiple roulettes that match the same rules as Alliance Raids; Level 50/60/70 dungeon, Leveling, Trials, Normal Raids. Each of these roulettes can be exploited in the same manner as Alliance Raids. If they change one, they may have to change them all.

Leveling can't really be exploited. Have a low ilvl to try to get an ARR dungeon? Congratulations on getting Sastasha/Tam-Tara/Copperbell/Aurum/etc. All of which are dungeons people don't like entering. You can't cheese leveling roulette without a chance of being thrown into something you cannot stand. Trials, nobody really cares, the vast majority of those are quick and easy anyway. Same with Normal Raids. Alliance Raids is the ONLY Roulette where this is a problem.

[Bright-Flower]

Would be nice if there were flexible ilvl requirements based on the level of the job you're queuing as. 50-59: Must have high enough ilvl to do WoD.

60-69: Must have ilvl to do Dun Scaithe. 70-79: Must have ilvl to do the Monastery. 80: Must have ilvl to do latest raid added to the roulette.