SE! Change the HW fate drop rates to the same as Bozja!!

[Driavna]

Why not make skirmishes/CE a 100% drop as well? Seems like the better deal.

But yeah, at this rate Bozja will die rather quickly because it's easier to just do the Relic outside.





Because Bozja has story, which at least was a greater motivation for the content for me. But once story is done and you maybe get your needed Bozja coins, people will just stay outside because the Relics are more efficient that way.

Despite people insisting on this is not true. Fates offer no other reward, while Bozja gives much more. Thing is, Skhrimish/CE is for lockbox and mettle mostly, if you want memories you need to AoE farm.



This kind of drop is not uncommon at all.

[Avalon304]

Despite people insisting on this is not true. Fates offer no other reward, while Bozja gives much more. Thing is, Skhrimish/CE is for lockbox and mettle mostly, if you want memories you need to AoE farm.



This kind of drop is not uncommon at all.

I mean I was in Bozja for 2-ish house last night, getting from like level 2 to 6... participated in a bunch of skirmishes, and as many CEs as the RNG would let me I got a single memory and 2 clusters... so... I dunno... it doesnt seem to be worth the time investment.

[Driavna]

I mean I was in Bozja for 2-ish house last night, getting from like level 2 to 6... participated in a bunch of skirmishes, and as many CEs as the RNG would let me I got a single memory and 2 clusters... so... I dunno... it doesnt seem to be worth the time investment.

Because SK and CE are for lockboxes, mettle, XP and pages (some also drop exclusive fragments). If you really want to farm memories and clusters/fragments you need to AoE pull in a group (and thanks to how the loot work you can be extremely efficient doing this). I know, the ideal will be "I just need to follow the fate train and get everything" for a lot of people however I still think this design is better.

I already completed 2 relics, have materials for 2 more and for the final one will only need to farm 2 types of memories. All this by just farming while waiting for Castrum to pop.

[Avalon304]

Despite people insisting on this is not true. Fates offer no other reward, while Bozja gives much more. Thing is, Skhrimish/CE is for lockbox and mettle mostly, if you want memories you need to AoE farm.



This kind of drop is not uncommon at all.

Because SK and CE are for lockboxes, mettle, XP and pages (some also drop exclusive fragments). If you really want to farm memories and clusters/fragments you need to AoE pull in a group (and thanks to how the loot work you can be extremely efficient doing this). I know, the ideal will be "I just need to follow the fate train and get everything" for a lot of people however I still think this design is better.

I already completed 2 relics, have materials for 2 more and for the final one will only need to farm 2 types of memories. All this by just farming while waiting for Castrum to pop.

That really is worse than Eureka then... because now its not even FATE farming... its just mob grinding... atleast the FATE grinding is faster, and can be done solo. (Even in Eureka every FATE you were at level for dropped mats toward the Relic). Outside of one mount, I havent seen a single reason to do Bozja over just getting my relics done in HW FATEs and dungeons. Its like they took the worst parts of Eureka, focused on them, added some more RNG (in the form of the absolutely awful Critical Engagement queue), and then slashed the drop rates on the actual content (aforementioned FATEs and CEs)... for a big company SE makes terrible gameplay design decisions pretty often.

How you think this design is better, when its the same, but implemented far worse is a mystery to me.

[MomomiMomi]

That really is worse than Eureka then... because now its not even FATE farming... its just mob grinding... atleast the FATE grinding is faster, and can be done solo. (Even in Eureka every FATE you were at level for dropped mats toward the Relic). Outside of one mount, I havent seen a single reason to do Bozja over just getting my relics done in HW FATEs and dungeons. Its like they took the worst parts of Eureka, focused on them, added some more RNG (in the form of the absolutely awful Critical Engagement queue), and then slashed the drop rates on the actual content (aforementioned FATEs and CEs)... for a big company SE makes terrible gameplay design decisions pretty often.

How you think this design is better, when its the same, but implemented far worse is a mystery to me.

This is way better. Eureka was forced mob grinding. You HAD to grind mobs to force an NM pop. And then you still had to complete the NM.

Here, the mob grinding is optional. Both methods give drops. And both methods give different things other than those drops. Want to level your jobs while working on relic? Focus on skirmishes and CE. Want clusters? Warmachina. Want fragments? Beasts.

Target what you want , and they all progress the relic.

[Seraphor]

I mean I was in Bozja for 2-ish house last night, getting from like level 2 to 6... participated in a bunch of skirmishes, and as many CEs as the RNG would let me I got a single memory and 2 clusters... so... I dunno... it doesnt seem to be worth the time investment.

An entire Skirmish or CE counts as one single drop, with the same rate as any regular mob.

So you could spend 5 minutes doing a Skirmish, where you kill 100 Skirmish tagged mobs and get one single drop chance.
Or you could pull 100 regular mobs and AoE them down with your party, and get 100 drop chances.
Not only will you get a ton of memories this way, but you'll also get Bosjan clusters and fragments for actions. Yet all people ever want to do is AFK until a Skirmish pops up...



I do think CE's should give you a guaranteed Memory drop for that zone, and Castrum should guarantee you one of each type. but apart for that, I think the drop rate in Bozja is fine.
And HW FATEs shouldn't be 100%, but about 50% would be absolutely fine, because both methods need to be viable.