Unreal Shiva is a failure.

[Liam_Harper]

Think some players also got too comfy with Echo when running older extremes.

That and how lenient the enrage timers are on current EX. You can bumble through current EX trials with a few people doing their rotation all wrong and a fair few deaths as long as a few are competent enough to carry. Old EX's you could only afford one of those two things, low dps or deaths, not both.

People are no longer used to having to play correctly. Even in Savage you see 6th percentile grey dps and 0 damage healers getting kills on e5-7 once others are geared enough to carry them, before Echo is even a thing. You can get surprisingly far without having to play your class correctly at all.