Online store prices are outrageously high!

[Kes13a]

xD And yeah you're right about that. Greed is why RMT will never go away in any form so blargh. Tho now I want to ask you.... do you think SL will bomb like BFA? I watched a video and the streamer in question was pissed about the number of changes that are coming to SL. How do you feel about it?

Ion is still captain of the ship so to speak so... I think it will. the story, such as it is, has wandered so far off things in recent years, and lost so much of what originally even made it passable, that right now, I just dont think they can save it. its all just making money until they get tired of doing so.

[SamRF]

Is that why there is more gil sink in WoW than in FFXIV, so that people would be incentivized to buy tokens? If so, I hope even more that SE never copy this token idea.

I believe we need much more gil sinks in FFXIV. Gil seems very useless for most players and personally have no incentive at all to level a crafter/gatherer right now.

[Kes13a]

I believe we need much more gil sinks in FFXIV. Gil seems very useless for most players and personally have no incentive at all to level a crafter/gatherer right now.

with the current bot issues on the MP levelling a crafter unless its for personal use is pointless. you will never make the investment back unless you stand on the mp 24/7

[Jojoya]

your token is GUARANTEED to sell within 2-12 hours.

When did Blizzard add that guarantee? When I was playing, it was still a market driven mostly by player demand with Blizzard using a price regulation formula to keep the gold price from fluctuating too greatly in a 24 hour period. If there was no player willing to pay gold to buy the token, then it sat there on the AH until someone finally did.

I can remember players complaining when it took a couple of days for their tokens to sell because those with the gold were waiting for the price formula to drive the price back down.

I believe we need much more gil sinks in FFXIV. Gil seems very useless for most players and personally have no incentive at all to level a crafter/gatherer right now.

Definitely. Gil is much too easy to make when you actively play the game (as opposed to AFKing in Limsa or wherever). You don't need a crafter/gatherer to be making gil. There are other options, like treasure maps, that will earn a player quite a bit of gil if they just do them.

with the current bot issues on the MP levelling a crafter unless its for personal use is pointless. you will never make the investment back unless you stand on the mp 24/7

Leveling crafting never required a major investment unless you were trying to power level it by buying leve items from others. It's even less of one now with the various XP sources getting a massive boost this expansion.

I have no problem making a profit on the MB selling crafted items, including on my low level alt. There are plenty of items the bots - and other crafters - aren't touching that are still selling. Profit is profit and it adds up over time. There's no point in getting super wealthy fast when there's nothing to spend that wealth on.

[Kes13a]

When did Blizzard add that guarantee? When I was playing, it was still a market driven mostly by player demand with Blizzard using a price regulation formula to keep the gold price from fluctuating too greatly in a 24 hour period. If there was no player willing to pay gold to buy the token, then it sat there on the AH until someone finally did.

I can remember players complaining when it took a couple of days for their tokens to sell because those with the gold were waiting for the price formula to drive the price back down..

I dont recall, but now when you post them, they say to expect your gold within 2-12 hours.

Edit: given there is virtually zero fluctuation, thats why I suspect zero player direction

[Jojoya]

I dont recall, but now when you post them, they say to expect your gold within 2-12 hours.

Edit: given there is virtually zero fluctuation, thats why I suspect zero player direction

So still not a guarantee, just a estimate.

As for fluctuation, the market might have hit a point of stability where players on both sides of the transaction feel they're getting good value. If Shadowlands draws former players back and entices new ones, prices could go back for the first month or so after release before dropping back down to the stable point.

I wouldn't object to a token system in FFXIV. I don't feel the WoW token itself harmed WoW in any way. The damage to the economy there was from the insane gold generation through Garrison treasure missions first and world quests later while giving players nothing to spend that gold on. The Mad Merchant in Legion was a good idea - except the player who had the gold to spend frequently couldn't find it spawned on any world in their CRZ group to be able to buy the items. It was indeed "mad" of Blizzard to make it difficult for players to spend the gold they wanted drained from the economy.

[linayar]

I believe we need much more gil sinks in FFXIV. Gil seems very useless for most players and personally have no incentive at all to level a crafter/gatherer right now.

Sorry, I'd rather not. If you like crafting/gathering because that's the activity you enjoy or because it helps you make your own gears/potions/housing items/glamours/minions/etc, that's great. But if you only like crafting/gathering to make money, I'd rather that be limited to that type of people's own desire to make money and not because it's a necessity to make money. I like not having to care about money other than when I want that optional minion or gear for glamour from the marketboard.

[Ayuhra]

I believe we need much more gil sinks in FFXIV. Gil seems very useless for most players and personally have no incentive at all to level a crafter/gatherer right now.

I can think of an excellent gold sink but it will never happen...

Make Fantasias buyable in game with gil (as well as Mogstation if necessary). Make them cost millions, buyable from a NPC, not able to be placed on the Marketboard.

[linayar]

I can think of an excellent gold sink but it will never happen...

Make Fantasias buyable in game with gil (as well as Mogstation if necessary). Make them cost millions, buyable from a NPC, not able to be placed on the Marketboard.

See, these are the kinds of ideas people come up with when they want a gil sink. It's just so unnecessary.

[Ayuhra]

See, these are the kinds of ideas people come up with when they want a gil sink. It's just so unnecessary.

I don't get it. Are you being snarky at me?

What does it hurt to have Fantasias purchasable with large amounts of gil as well as on Mogstation? Name changes would still cost real money.

I mean, I likely wouldn't buy them because I never have any gil but some people do want something to spend gil on.

Unlike other MMOs races in FFXIV are purely cosmetic so no aspect of game balance would be harmed.