Quote Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush View Post
One thing I was thinking about is given what we learn about the Echo is 5.1-5.3 it's very possible that Zenos dose have a real Echo but was never presented an opportunity to wake it up, given it lays dormant inside so many we now can't be sure if the "fake" really grants the Echo or is simply a man-made means of doing what Elidibus was doing on the first with the fake stare showers and Amerrout and simply waking up the dormant Echo is people.

Also not sure I buy that quote meaning Zodiark given up to this point we know nothing of the Primals mind on anything, we don't even know if he's "awake" in the same sense as Hydaelyn and has any thoughts on events currently, he could be evil, or indifferent or anything else really, we just don't know. So if my options are to apply that quote to someone I know nothing about vs the two people on screen of which it easily could be referring to either of them with what we know of them I'd pick either Zenos or Fandanile.

Honestly at this point given we kinda had our "Light vs Dark" final showdown with Us and Elidibus, if Zenos doesn't get his way and we don't have our Primal ultimate stand in battle with us and he acting for Zodiark and Hydaelyn that they subvert the whole thing, honestly us not fighting them would tie into the narrative they've been pushing as neither light nor dark, Zodiark or Hydaelyn being good or evil.
But we know that Zodiark's summoning is a delay to the apocalypse, not a means to stop it. This was made clear by Venat and other Ancients that summoned Hydaelyn. Furthermore, when we echo to the Crystal Exarch's past and see the "changed" future they are clearly in an apocalypse that comes after the 8th calamity because the WOL is already dead. The beast has to be Zodiark because he is the only thing synonymous world ending destruction.