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  1. #11
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    Duskane's Avatar
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon304 View Post
    Would it? Id think the extra point of weapon damage from the i505 Eden weapon would likely make it better, even if the relic had 5 slots.
    probably would depend on substats since all this tier weapons are min maxed essentially besides from healers would be hard but 3 extra melds to Direct hit could be handy for tanks
    considering the idealized helmet for PLD a i480 helmet is just as strong as the i500 tank helmets you can see how much extra melds can make a difference.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon304 View Post
    Im personally hoping for i500, but Im expecting i495.
    i495 with 5 slots would be good enough.
    Better than a 2 slot i500 weapon, but just behind the i505 from savage.
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  3. #13
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    probably would depend on substats since all this tier weapons are min maxed essentially besides from healers would be hard but 3 extra melds to Direct hit could be handy for tanks
    considering the idealized helmet for PLD a i480 helmet is just as strong as the i500 tank helmets you can see how much extra melds can make a difference.
    Weapon damage tends to be king. I'd imagine a 500 relic might be BiS for healers, since the huge chunk of Piety on the Eden weapon is essentially 0 stat, but other classes will lean to the +5ilv.

    If the relic is equal to or even better than Eden, I see no issue with it. We'll only be getting half a patch at best to enjoy the relic before the next tier is released and pushes it back to glamour status for the time being.
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  4. #14
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    Narcissus Arcanum
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Weapon damage tends to be king. I'd imagine a 500 relic might be BiS for healers, since the huge chunk of Piety on the Eden weapon is essentially 0 stat, but other classes will lean to the +5ilv.

    If the relic is equal to or even better than Eden, I see no issue with it. We'll only be getting half a patch at best to enjoy the relic before the next tier is released and pushes it back to glamour status for the time being.
    Agreed, I think anyone who cared that someone else had another way to get their weapon has had their 505 for 4-6 months now.
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  5. #15
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    Jellicle Jayde
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    Maduin
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Weapon damage tends to be king. I'd imagine a 500 relic might be BiS for healers, since the huge chunk of Piety on the Eden weapon is essentially 0 stat, but other classes will lean to the +5ilv.

    If the relic is equal to or even better than Eden, I see no issue with it. We'll only be getting half a patch at best to enjoy the relic before the next tier is released and pushes it back to glamour status for the time being.
    Pretty much.

    ilvl is king for most all jobs, from a design PoV people have had like over half a year to get the tome weapons that can now be upgraded to ilvl500 without savage fights. Tomes prob hella close to being unlocked so people can just grind out the 1000 needed for a weapon in no time. An ex fight can drop ilvl495 cause it's an easy path to getting an upgrade or "starter weapon" for raids if you haven't been farming savage til recently.

    A 5 slot ilvl500 relic would make it the 2nd best weapon compared to the eden weapons for a few weeks before the next tier of savage raids and tome weapons and so on start the gear treadmill all over again.

    Plus, where we are now is basically Anemos if we compare it to last expac. From the end of Anemos to the end of Pagos your weapon goes up 15 ilvls, not 10.
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  6. #16
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    Ven Diclonius
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    Cerberus
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    i500 2 slots since i500 with 5 slots would most likely make it better than edens depending on substats of course
    Ilvl might work like that for certain other pieces, but not weapons. For weapons, Weapon damage is king as its basically the equivalent of several hundred main stat, or the equivalent of almost a thousand of any given offstat. These relics will not be bis.
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    2.0 Veteran from 2013. Just looking to be helpful. DRK is Love, DRK is life.

    (Ignore the levels on my character card, the tool i used to make it hasn't been updated for 4.0)

  7. #17
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    Ilvl might work like that for certain other pieces, but not weapons. For weapons, Weapon damage is king as its basically the equivalent of several hundred main stat, or the equivalent of almost a thousand of any given offstat. These relics will not be bis.
    Some sets for AST and SCH already use the Augmented Crystarium weapon simply because the 505 ones have godawful substats, so adding 3 more meld slots can most certainly make them BiS depending on the substats.
    Now you could argue that weapon damage isn't quite as important on healers than on any other job but that remains to be seen.
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  8. #18
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    George Strong
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Either 495 or 500 at best.
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    Jennah Arhtima
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    Ninja Lv 90
    The real question is: will they be shiny?
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    Mister Feeny
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    The real question is: will they be shiny?
    There was a datamined thread on Reddit a few weeks ago with an imgur link to all of the Bozjan weapon upgrades, all with with their own glow. You could probably still find it on r/ffxiv.

    EDIT: found the link https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...eapons_bozjan/
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    Last edited by Auryan; 09-16-2020 at 12:51 PM.

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