Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

[Fynlar]

I think we should be listening to opinions and feedback from actual world first racers, instead of people who barely dabble in Savage or haven't even ran it stating how it should be to dig for upvotes when it doesn't even affect them.

Similar to the OP, it's super entitled of you to think that the opinions of "world first" (rofl) raiders should be the only ones that matter.

[xxvaynxx]

Actually, it does affect other people because delaying Savage would also delay release of new tomestone.

That's the thing though.
NM gear and crafted gear become obsolete(unless you're rich enough to pentameld) because savage is released same day. Crafters have to rush get the new mats for their group and everything ready its quite hectic, it totally kicks anybody not rich as well to even buy the crafted gear. Which can be fixed if savage was delayed 2 weeks so they can at least have some normal mode pieces as an alternative to the crafted gear they can't afford. There are no downsides waiting at least two weeks for savage.
It gives everybody an equal amount of time to prepare.
Also they wouldn't have to delay the tomestones? you know we get 2 new dungeons every even patch...wait..I forget. I hardly do dungeon.

[Katie_Kitty]

Hmm, some people here seem to be conflating "world first race" with "day 1 raiders." Plenty of people like to raid day 1 but have no intention of trying to get world first. These people typically do it because they just enjoy the raids and the experience of progging day 1/week 1. Instead of getting up at the crack of dawn on release day, they go through their normal daily routine and then meet up with their static that night to begin going through the new fights.

These people do not need savage to be pushed back. Why would they? They already have their raiding schedules set up before the tier ever comes out, pushing it back or not won't change the hours they plan on raiding. Prior to raid time, they can simply use any free time they have to go through the other stuff they want, then meet up with their crew at the designated time to go into the savage version.

Do the people who care about trying to get world first need savage to be pushed back? I'm no mind reader, but I doubt it tbh. Even if they did, I still wouldn't agree with it, because there's no reason why all the other people who like to raid day 1 but *don't* feel the need to try to world first it should have to wait just so that people who actively take it upon themselves to prioritize savage above all else should not ever have to make any sacrifices to do so.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's the thing though.
NM gear and crafted gear become obsolete(unless you're rich enough to pentameld) because savage is released same day. Crafters have to rush get the new mats for their group and everything ready its quite hectic, it totally kicks anybody not rich as well to even buy the crafted gear. Which can be fixed if savage was delayed 2 weeks so they can at least have some normal mode pieces as an alternative to the crafted gear they can't afford. There are no downsides waiting at least two weeks for savage.
It gives everybody an equal amount of time to prepare.
Also they wouldn't have to delay the tomestones? you know we get 2 new dungeons every even patch...wait..I forget. I hardly do dungeon.

Because then people have higher ilvls than expected. There's a reason tome and savage release on the same day.

They would have to push the tome gear release.

[LittleImp]

Similar to the OP, it's super entitled of you to think that the opinions of "world first" (rofl) raiders should be the only ones that matter.

We're talking about an issue that directly concerns the world-first race; Of course people with direct experience with the matter are going to have more valuable opinions.

[Liam_Harper]

Similar to the OP, it's super entitled of you to think that the opinions of "world first" (rofl) raiders should be the only ones that matter.

Entitled to what? I'm not a "world first" raider and never plan to be and don't really care that much if Savage is available week one or not. It's a subject that really has very little impact for the regular player.

[Fynlar]

We're talking about an issue that directly concerns the world-first race; Of course people with direct experience with the matter are going to have more valuable opinions.

And that's precisely what makes it entitled.

World firsters (rofl) are not the only people who do savage.

Entitled to what? I'm not a "world first" raider and never plan to be and don't really care that much if Savage is available week one or not. It's a subject that really has very little impact for the regular player.

Having content you want to play arbitrarily rolled back for 2 weeks when it doesn't have to be is impacting you, whether you are willing to raise a stink about it or not.

[LittleImp]

And that's precisely what makes it entitled.

World firsters (rofl) are not the only people who do savage.



Having content you want to play arbitrarily rolled back for 2 weeks when it doesn't have to be is impacting you, whether you are willing to raise a stink about it or not.

You're assuming that people participating in the world-first race would be supportive of a delay, which in my experience generally isn't the case.

Also the constant inclusion of (rofl) makes it seem like you have some kind of personal issue with high-end players, and severely undermines whatever point you're trying to make.

[Stepjam]

I don't think there's any real need to push savage back, though I guess I don't really mind either way, I don't have a dog in this hunt. But if I did have to take a side, I feel like it's not particularly necessary. Also crafters would hate it because they tend to make a lot of gil off selling gear during week one, but if savage was pushed back a week, then raiders could skip either chest or legs and just get the tomestone version which is higher ilvl, which would cut into crafters' profits.

The story isn't really going anywhere, unless you are like raiding constantly for the entire week, you can presumably find 1-2 hours to do the MSQ within week one.

[xxvaynxx]

You're assuming that people participating in the world-first race would be supportive of a delay, which in my experience generally isn't the case. .

In your experience? Maybe. But actually a vast amount of them would love a delay so they can do other content and enjoy the story before we hardcore prog.