When someone tries to ruin the Market board...

[tdb]

mining was very lucrative back when I played. made alot of doing that way. you could afford to hire really good escorts as well if you want to go into lowsec.

Yeah, I've made most of my money in EVE with mining as well. IIRC I have one of the larger exhumers. I think 0.6 or maybe 0.5 is the lowest I've operated in. Almost lost my ship once to some players but fortunately they didn't have warp jammers so I was able to escape. Also did my share of can mining in highsec. Being the unsocial, slightly paranoid recluse that I am, hiring guards I don't know isn't really appealing to me. I might get more out of the game if I joined a corp with mining ops, but I find it difficult to commit to any kind of regular schedule. It's been years since I last played though so I don't know if things have changed any.

[Auriya]

This player whom we all know is definately not alone about it. Either she has bots to work for her or it's a cartel of players working together. She/they are dominating sales entirely on ALL SERVERS in the light datacenter, in so many areas with I don't know how many alts (or other players) and gazillions of retainers that even if you craft 24/7 you can't keep up and the prices update almost immediately. Her/their sales are not about selling for the smallest amount on the market. God beware if you have the audacity to put one of your crafted items up! She/they will without doubt put another 10-15 items up, because she/they can't stand competition and very often she/they sell for UNDER the cost price. It's easy to follow in the history logs on all the servers where she buys her stuff from. It's just a twisted method to ruin crafting sales for everyone else playing the game, so don't give me the supply and demand speech. Some ppl just want the world to crash and burn no matter the consequences and if she/they crashes the market board meanwhile she/they dont care. It's all about her/their sales ONLY....and her bots/cartel.

[Bearded]

Interesting how this person “dominates” all sales on all worlds for the data centre I am on yet I seem to be able to sell my things just fine at at reasonable price. Nothing wrong or against the tos for a group of people to band together and sell whatever they want to the market board at whatever price they want to. It is a free market after all. People are free to charge outrageous prices and others are free to charge reasonable ones.

If you really think that someone is doing this to dominate or spite you then first take a few moments to consider that and how improbable it actually is. Then buy up everything that they list which you consider to be under cost price so you can sell it later.

[Jojoya]

If you really think that someone is doing this to dominate or spite you then first take a few moments to consider that and how improbable it actually is. Then buy up everything that they list which you consider to be under cost price so you can sell it later.

It's not a tactic that works when materials are an unlimited resource and the other player is known to be a repeat seller. They'll usually have supplies to make more so they can relist as they sell.

About the only time it will work is when there is no maker's signature on an item that can have one. Those items are generally coming from quick ventures so the seller isn't likely to have another.

[Eien713]

I've also noticed the weird MB thing going on on Odin. Someone mentioned the Neo-ishgardian stuff in previous posts, and I immediately knew what they were talking about since I was trying to sell some of that gear too. At first, I thought it was a person just manually undercutting. But then one night, I literally spent over 1 hour doing nothing but constantly updating my prices. It was insane. I only have 2 retainers, and by the time I was updating my second retainer, I'd see that my first retainer had already gotten undercut. After an hour or so, I was like: "To hell with this!" and I logged out. The competition, however, never seemed to go to sleep. I went to sleep at around 1 a.m. then woke up at around 6 a.m. just to check on the undercutting to see if the competition was actually bots. Lo and behold, the others continued to undercut the whole time. Like, do they even go to sleep? They undercut all day every day. And that's when I was 99.99% convinced they were bots. And even when I decided to just drop it for a while, wait for the bots' stuff to get sold, and then list mine, they would come back with more of these same items. It's never-ending and extremely frustrating. I have even come to memorize the names of their retainers and when I see them, I already know I'd be fighting a losing battle. I absolutely hate how these people are cheating and are getting an advantage over others. It's just unfair. *Sigh*...

[TwistedTea]

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Point being, if straight gil is the goal, crafting is probably about the dumbest thing you could be doing.

I retired from crafting for the MB at the start of SHB. Gil is no longer my main goal as I've already exceeded gil cap. Most of the gil I make now is directly from the system (green gil)

Before I leveled my crafters/gatherers, I used to flip stuff on the MB. But prior to SHB changes crafting/gatherers was a consistent way to make gil. But with the 'accessibility' changes to crafting/gathering and the huge influx of crafters/gatherers that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

And whether it's crafting/gathering, flipping,treasure maps, it's not like these things are mutually exclusive ways of making gil.

But I stand by the statement, that time is the ultimate cost.

Even in those 5-10 mins you went to gather, I could have just bought the mats from the MB and crafted several items and sold those.

[Divinemights]

It is really very simple concept, you guys just over complicate the issue
Do you know why there are only Pepsi and Coke Cola in entire soft drink industry?
It is because they keep the profit margin so low that there is no new competitor want to enter the market.
The person is doing the same thing on the market board
He is willing to lower the profit margin to bare minimum in order to get rid of the competition
Welcome to the Capital market system
Isn’t it is just fun?

[Auriya]

Funny how some just want to categorize every crafting bot problem in this game with words like supply/demand rules and welcome to the capital market system, were "free" to do whatever we want. The marketboard is being flooded and dominated by ONE player or a cartel and too many think that's just fine, cause "we're living in a capital world". This is super organized, with buying up any items from competitors, instant undercutting, endless funds to rebuy new mats and reselling on other servers. This is not just a player "having fun"...

[Divinemights]

Funny how some just want to categorize every crafting bot problem in this game with words like supply/demand rules and welcome to the capital market system, were "free" to do whatever we want. The marketboard is being flooded and dominated by ONE player or a cartel and too many think that's just fine, cause "we're living in a capital world". This is super organized, with buying up any items from competitors, instant undercutting, endless funds to rebuy new mats and reselling on other servers. This is not just a player "having fun"...

Funny how some just want to categorize every supply/demand problem in this game with words like crafting bot and welcome to the capital market system, were "free" to do whatever we want. The marketboard is being flooded and dominated by ONE player or a cartel and too many think that's just fine, cause "we're living in a capital world". This is super organized, with buying up any items from competitors, instant undercutting, endless funds to rebuy new mats and reselling on other servers. This is not just a player "having fun"..

You do realize your statement is a two-edge sword right?
All I did was swapped two words
No context and no illustration to support your argent.
Someone undercut me? Must be bot!!
I lost the place card clicking war for a housing plot? He must used a bot
I lost the PvP? He must used hack

[Angelhearth]

This is a problem on many server, I guess. Free market and capitalism is the usual answer. But:

1. When you check and item, see that there are many items for sale, check the history, and see that it's slow, you stay away from it.
2. When you check an item, see that there are many items for sale, check the history, and see that it's fast moving, you go in and sell a gil lower than the lowest.
3. You always try to sell as high as possible, THAT'S capitalism and free market.
4. Anyone that breaks these simple rules most likely don't understand free market and capitalism, or tries to destroy for others.

Exception is for those that need to get gil fast, or needs to empty their stock, but these will disappear fast. My way of seeing if this is true is to buy them out. If they come back I will destroy the market for them, completely, by underbidding them until they start loosing so much they withdraw. It might cost me a million, but the satisfaction of knowing that someone acting like that takes a huge hit makes up for it.