Ryne might be able to come back to the Source after all.

[Riastrad]

If 6.0 is a Garlemald expansion, and if the writers remember what kind of experiments they have been up to, then it would be of little consequence to clone a body and extract a soul. They have been manipulating and experimenting with the Echo and Soul extraction for quite awhile now, as Zenos (the by product of some of those experiments) isn't exactly a teenager, even if he acts like one. Emet used cloned bodies of Solus Zos Galvus to make his appearance in Shadowbringers. It was even mentioned/hinted by Emet Selch as to what would happen if Hydaelyn herself struck Ryne (who at the time already joined with Minfilia), resulting in her being split. We have even done a bit of experimenting ourselves lately. Having transferred memories and souls between worlds and bodies, to great effect. I'm not saying exactly that is what would happen, but as Cilia mentioned... Never say never.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it's entirely possible that once the Eden Raid is finished, BFFs Ryne and Gaia will truck on over to the Thirteenth Shard with Eden to start work on repairing the damage there, essentially writing both of them out of the story (Minfillia-style) unless the writers decide to revisit them later.

It's only one possible outcome, but I see this as being totally in-character for something she'd like to do. Also, the Thirteenth is WAY more accessable than the Source is, given that Voidsent are constantly sneaking in and out, and she has the Emissary of Darkness at her side to help, as well.

I honestly don't expect Gaia to "survive" the events of Eden. Sacrifice herself to speed up the recovery of the Empty? Yes, because it is hinted that her power is based on time manipulation and slows and speeds her spells. Have a happy ending of coffee cake and chats beneath the stars with Ryne? No, even though I myself wish it.

As was mentioned in the Tales from the Shadows.

"With what might be termed “wakeful eyes,” I reviewed the reports made by Ironworks members following their investigations into the Crystal Tower, the mechanical primal known as Alexander, and the interdimensional rift, the findings of which were instrumental in formulating the plan to alter the past. Thus did I discover that each of these missions had one common element: they ended with a key figure entering a form of self-imposed exile, not unlike a deep slumber. At times such as these, when one is to be separated from one’s companions, whether it be by sleep or by death, there is a phrase which I have found to be particularly fitting.

“Good night.”

[MirronTulaxia]

One would hope given they're drawing awareness of that fact in game that they'll do something different.

[Riastrad]

One would hope given they're drawing awareness of that fact in game that they'll do something different.

One would hope they remember their own lore. Far to many times in game concepts have been forgotten by the main cast to drive a story. For instance, why wouldn't Urianger use white auracite to transfer some of the light from the WoL/WoD to ease the burden? Or for that matter, trap the Light wardens? Because drama. Stupid, stupid drama.

I really hate being a mute character sometimes, if for nothing else than to express my disapproval of how we go about our missions in game.

[Cilia]

Call me hopeful, but I believe those limitations will be worked through at some point in the future. Extraordinary feats have a habit of being rendered mundane with time, both in real life and in fiction.

It's pretty clear that the limitations will be worked through if the writers see a need for it. Consider G'raha himself, who was not expected to be awakened until the technology of today surpassed that of the Allagans and so they had no more need of the power of the Crystal Tower... except he's now running around as a Scion of the Seventh Dawn not even a year from when he sealed himself inside. (Subjectively, it was a few hundred years, due to time and dimension travel shenanigans.)

So honestly Ryne arriving on the Source would be the sort of thing that is impossible now, but maybe in 7.0 or something suddenly it's entirely possible, and due to time bubble also within the same year.

Of course it's not impossible; we've already proved it's possible, it's just not probable with the resources currently available to us. If the writers want to put Ryne into a story on the Source they can just... write a way for it to happen... but as it stands now there are too many issues with that. A lot of effort went in dragging us over to the First and by Emet-Selch's admission we're the first ever to cross body and soul; the Ascians couldn't figure it out. It's not a problem that's going to get solved in a day. G'raha and Beq Lugg only got half the equation between the two of them, and even if the former bound himself to the Crystal Tower again it might still be impossible because not only does it not exist on the Source, we kind of broke the Tycoon.

If they want to write Ryne into a future storyline, you bet your ass they'll come up with a way to put her on the Source; but it doesn't look like that's the case at the moment, so it's not likely to happen any time soon (if at all).

(And I still don't know what her soul's density has to do with it.)

I agree that Gaia probably won't survive the Eden raids. Or more accurately I don't think her chances are good; some storyline exclusive character(s) die / are put into indefinite slumber during these deals and there are no other characters besides Ryne to fill that quota (and while they may have probably written her out of the story for the indefinite future, I don't think they'd be so cruel as to kill off smol once-Minfilia).

(Apropos of nothing, the Yo-Kai Watch event is up again until 5.4, now replete with post-Heavensward Job weapons, Yo-Kai minions you'll need to get them, and a giant flying Jibanyan plush as a mount for getting all 17. Seems like the drop rate's up too; I got the GNB weapon in about an hour. Good thing I finished Ghost of Tsushima yesterday!)

[Alleluia]

One would hope they remember their own lore. Far to many times in game concepts have been forgotten by the main cast to drive a story. For instance, why wouldn't Urianger use white auracite to transfer some of the light from the WoL/WoD to ease the burden? Or for that matter, trap the Light wardens? Because drama. Stupid, stupid drama.

I really hate being a mute character sometimes, if for nothing else than to express my disapproval of how we go about our missions in game.

The saturation of umbral, static aether in the world at the time might have made its manufacture impossible? Or perhaps not enough auricite could have been made to hold the light? Or its umbral nature would have made it not work? Cus otherwise, yeah. The Crystal Tower itself could have just sucked up all the light wardens since its apparently the same as a giant piece of auricite. I choose to believe there was a reason this was not done. And that that reason is locked behind one of Urianger's lectures that we tend to sleep through.

[Riastrad]

The saturation of umbral, static aether in the world at the time might have made its manufacture impossible? Or perhaps not enough auricite could have been made to hold the light? Or its umbral nature would have made it not work? Cus otherwise, yeah. The Crystal Tower itself could have just sucked up all the light wardens since its apparent;y the same as a giant piece of auricite. I choose to believe there was a reason this was not done. and that that reason is locked behind one of Urianger's lectures that we tend to sleep through.

We need to take a look at what we know about the auracite Urinager made in the First

Urianger made one just for Emet while we were full to the brim of light aether. The skies had even returned to being light aspected. We also know that a fully fledged Ascian such as Emet or Elidibus could contain all the aether of all Lightwardens due to us only needing to have been 9/14 rejoined to contain it. Also, considering the only obstacle was time, as mentioned by Urianger, 3 years seems like a fair amount considering he put one together in about a week (only a few days really. 4 days max) of us needing one. I just don't buy it as anything other than a plot hole. A glaring one at that. Just draw a bit of Light aether after every warden and use the Tower to drain it dry. Nothing could have been simpler. It's what frustrates me about the Scions, they should be smarter than this. They just all kind of stopped working together for a few years without us.


Sorry, I get what you guys are saying. I just don't enjoy seeing intelligent writing being potentially undone with a few in game logic leaps that our heroes should know about.

[Iscah]

There's a catch to using the tower to drain the Light-aspected aether, though, and we see it in-game: the physical toll it takes on the Exarch.

Maybe he has no way of telling just how much "payback" he'll receive for using it to drain even one Warden's aether, and it's a gamble he can't afford to take while the others still remain.

There's also the risk that by simply transferring the aether to the tower, if it's still Light-aspected then it solves nothing in terms of what happens if the world gets rejoined and all its aether flows back to the Source.

Arguably transferring the aether is exactly what he does try to do after we defeat Innocence, using his own body as a proxy for the tower and with a plan to remove it from the First once he's absorbed it, but of course Emet interrupted that.

[Vyrerus]

One would hope they remember their own lore. Far to many times in game concepts have been forgotten by the main cast to drive a story. For instance, why wouldn't Urianger use white auracite to transfer some of the light from the WoL/WoD to ease the burden? Or for that matter, trap the Light wardens? Because drama. Stupid, stupid drama.

I really hate being a mute character sometimes, if for nothing else than to express my disapproval of how we go about our missions in game.

Because the Lightwardens aren't aetherial beings. Because white auracite can't hold aether for a long enough time. Because white auracite itself can't strike down the Ligthwarden in order for such a transfer to occur.

[MirronTulaxia]

I'm not sure we've ever seen White Auracite used in any event except as an all or nothing kind of thing. I'm also not sure it can accurately split off the characters aether that way. At least nothing so far has indicated it really works in any way except "suck everything into it", which... isn't really a solution to the problem. And as pointed out the Lightwardens aether has to go to the entity that killed it. Perhaps if you had like, a really strong Talos it would just go to the nearest living entity instead, which isn't really a solution either. We could ask about why it has to go to a living being, but it seems to have something to do with the overly aspected nature of it.

[Iscah]

Another thing I forgot about earlier re. white auracite: it's repeatedly emphasised that it's very unstable as an energy storage device. We can use it to absorb and trap an Ascian, but we need to do that immediately and we can't use it to store the aetherial energy we'd need to blast it with.

Trying to drain the Light with it would be just asking for it to leach out and take over a new host.