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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Do Viera really make up less than 1% of the player base? Where did you see that statistic?
    https://ffxivcensus.com

    This is the reference I used. It shows 4.8 million characters in the game with the number of viera being 149,000

    Unless this information is out of date, that would make the number of people playing that race as less than 1% of the total population. But even if that number has increased, it's still a comparatively small number of players to the population as a whole, and given the two major issues of the developers having to work with increased obstacles due to COVID and being months behind, the priority needs to be on the things that keep the game making money, namely finishing off the Shadowbringers patches and the next major expansion as opposed to increasing the number of hats one race can wear.

    That's not to say I don't think the race should be able to wear hats. I admit the state it launched in was pretty disappointing, but also at this point you know what you're getting into with that race. Also all the work that has been accomplished has been done by people working on it in their own time, meaning without getting paid. So to demand even more comes across as incredibly selfish, and ungrateful for what work was already done by those people without pay to give at least some options. Remember originally Viera and Hrothgar weren't even able to wear glasses, for example. All that was done by people on their own because they just wanted to make the game a little nicer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    https://ffxivcensus.com

    This is the reference I used. It shows 4.8 million characters in the game with the number of viera being 149,000

    Unless this information is out of date, that would make the number of people playing that race as less than 1% of the total population. But even if that number has increased, it's still a comparatively small number of players to the population as a whole, and given the two major issues of the developers having to work with increased obstacles due to COVID and being months behind, the priority needs to be on the things that keep the game making money, namely finishing off the Shadowbringers patches and the next major expansion as opposed to increasing the number of hats one race can wear.

    That's not to say I don't think the race should be able to wear hats. I admit the state it launched in was pretty disappointing, but also at this point you know what you're getting into with that race. Also all the work that has been accomplished has been done by people working on it in their own time, meaning without getting paid. So to demand even more comes across as incredibly selfish, and ungrateful for what work was already done by those people without pay to give at least some options. Remember originally Viera and Hrothgar weren't even able to wear glasses, for example. All that was done by people on their own because they just wanted to make the game a little nicer.
    4.8 million characters ever created, not active, and I am deeply sorry people had to work on their free time for something they were supposed to be paid, I am not selfish and I do not ask people to work on their free time and they shouldn't. And the game reached it's peak activity, and the sale going on right now is bringing them a lot of money for sure. The game itself is far from bankrupt, it's a monthly paid mmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iPeach View Post
    4.8 million characters ever created, not active, and I am deeply sorry people had to work on their free time for something they were supposed to be paid, I am not selfish and I do not ask people to work on their free time and they shouldn't. And the game reached it's peak activity, and the sale going on right now is bringing them a lot of money for sure. The game itself is far from bankrupt, it's a monthly paid mmo.
    It's around 9% for active, according to the same page. Pretty good for having a single gender and being new.
    also 39% of all viera are active while 13% of Miqo'te are active.

    The are 14 possible gender race combinations. equal distribution would make each 7%.
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    Last edited by MsQi; 08-07-2020 at 02:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    https://ffxivcensus.com

    This is the reference I used. It shows 4.8 million characters in the game with the number of viera being 149,000
    I don't think that one is as accurate as others anyway, but generally you want to refer to the 'active characters', not all characters ever made. The total characters created in the game also includes the gajillion midlander hyur bots trying to sell gil in starting cities.

    According to the active characters bar graph there, Viera are the 5th highest race/gender combo, out of 14. I can't imagine that means the other 9 behind them are even further below 1%. I'm probably the worst person at math in the world, but I don't think that adds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't think that one is as accurate as others anyway, but generally you want to refer to the 'active characters', not all characters ever made. The total characters created in the game also includes the gajillion midlander hyur bots trying to sell gil in starting cities.

    According to the active characters bar graph there, Viera are the 5th highest race/gender combo, out of 14. I can't imagine that means the other 9 behind them are even further below 1%. I'm probably the worst person at math in the world, but I don't think that adds up.
    Fair, though even then, active characters means that you're looking at something that impacts 9% of the player base. And while I agree that this should have been addressed from the start, I also don't support the idea that in the situation we're in right now, that adding more hats should be a priority over making sure that the came can continue to be developed for the remaining 91% of players who aren't viera.

    If we weren't still in a global pandemic that pushed back development by several months with the game developers are still adjusting to the new work realities, I wouldn't be so antagonistic. But at this point, we do need to consider what are the bigger priorities, and what additions will benefit the largest number of players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    If it bothers you a lot in the meantime while waiting for official means of using head gear. They do have mods that allow the use of headgear. The clipping is minimal but it is something. Just do not go talking about it in game and you should be fine.
    Mods aren't really always an answer considering that for a sizable number of players, they aren't an option. Console players have zero access to them, so unless the original poster is a console player willing to add the mod to their game, this sadly won't solve things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Fair, though even then, active characters means that you're looking at something that impacts 9% of the player base. And while I agree that this should have been addressed from the start, I also don't support the idea that in the situation we're in right now, that adding more hats should be a priority over making sure that the came can continue to be developed for the remaining 91% of players who aren't viera.

    If we weren't still in a global pandemic that pushed back development by several months with the game developers are still adjusting to the new work realities, I wouldn't be so antagonistic. But at this point, we do need to consider what are the bigger priorities, and what additions will benefit the largest number of players.



    Mods aren't really always an answer considering that for a sizable number of players, they aren't an option. Console players have zero access to them, so unless the original poster is a console player willing to add the mod to their game, this sadly won't solve things.
    True, but at the very least it is something someone can do depending on if they have the setup and are willing to use them.

    Did not mean to imply mods are the end all be all answer but for those willing and able it does provide a temporary solution to their problem with an active result.
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