"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Goji1639]

For the last f'ing time, giving someone advice =/= calling someone out.

Doing it in public is. Even if that wasn't your intention, you're still putting them on blast in front of the entire group. It's rude and might not go over well.

All I'm really saying at this point is don't be surprised when people take it personally, because it is personal.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Doing it in public is.

No it isn't. You're just overly sensitive an can't handle criticism.

[Goji1639]

No it isn't. You're just overly sensitive an can't handle criticism.

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

If I'm doing a group activity that requires them to do something properly otherwise it directly impacts me then I frankly don't care who they're around. If they're doing something wrong that direct impacts me and I know how to do it properly I'm going to inform them how to do so. Doing such is not 'rude' or 'calling out' and if you think it is then once again you're simply overly sensitive and can't handle criticism.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

[Goji1639]

If I'm doing a group activity that requires them to do something properly otherwise it directly impacts me then I frankly don't care who they're around. If they're doing something wrong that direct impacts me and I know how to do it properly I'm going to inform them how to do so. Doing such is not 'rude' or 'calling out' and if you think it is then once again you're simply overly sensitive and can't handle criticism.

Sure, if it "requires" them to do something properly then you should speak up. If the Healer isn't Healing or the tank isn't in Tank stance I'd expect you to inform them. In those situations you're not really being rude; you just have urgent information to relay and limited options.

If the advice doesn't involve something that's "required," though, it should be handled in private as a courtesy. Doing it any other way is rude.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

In a classroom the teacher student relationship is already established. In a roulette it isn't, but if you WANT to take on a party member as a student you should address them in the most courteous way you can. They'll be more receptive of your request to be their teacher if you're not rude to them.

[Skivvy]

Saying "no it isn't" over and over isn't going to change anything. Try walking around criticizing people in front of their friends, family and co-workers. Let me know how much everyone "appreciates" your help.

Has nothing to do with me; I'm just explaining how the world works to you. Criticizing people in public is confrontational and rude. Learn how to interact with people if you want to be a teacher.

As Lucy was pointing out, simply giving advice is not the same as calling someone out. In your quoted comment here, you again equate suggestions to "criticizing" people. Up above in some of your earlier comments, you're implying those who have no qualms about giving advice are non-casual tryhards who don't care about being rude.

Varying opinions are fine, and there is no problem with expressing one's thoughts. That's kind of how conversations go. However, any point you may have been trying to make is getting lost in your inability to leave the gross exaggerations, blanket statements and snide comments out of the conversation. I'm not saying you're the only one doing this, but I'd say you definitely take the cake.

Honestly, if this is how you react to rather mundane viewpoints on what is & isn't acceptable in a group-setting, it's no wonder you view any unsolicited advice given in an open-setting to be hostile and rude. You've made a mountain out of a molehill, and all I can say at this point is that I strongly disagree with you. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Laesha]

Offering unsolicited advice while drawing attention to the individual you are advising is "calling someone out" though. This is objectively true. One doesn't have to assign negativity to it I suppose, if they don't want to, but that is objectively what it is.

And so what if they are too sensitive for you? You are too sensitive to other peoples' game play for me? I'm oversensitive. You're oversensitive. We're all oversensitive. What now? This is where it stops becoming about helping someone else and just becomes about the advisor not being taken seriously in my opinion.

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

That is the exact definition of a solicited question. j/s

No random teacher will be walking around the classroom past desks, looking down at student papers, then suddenly stop and draw attention to them and let the whole class know they answered a question wrong. They kneel down, they speak in a soft voice, they ask questions and allow the student to guide themselves while coaching.

[Veis_Alveare]

The overwhelming majority of players in forums are not casual. Casual players don't care enough about the game to sit in here talking about it all day; if the forums were for casuals they'd be packed. No, forums are usually where a relatively small group of veterans and tryhards hang out, usually to call everyone else in the game "bad" and make themselves feel hardcore. It's as true in this game as in every other MMO.


Your argument has no merit if all you can do to defend it is say "b-b-b-but... some people agree with me!!"

I do have a feeling that a lot of you wouldn't be nearly as brave in general, not just regarding me, if you didn't know you had a certain amount of support.

If you're so confident in this to keep saying it why haven't I I recieved anything on discord from you?

Is it because you know one of the only ways you even get to make an argument is to do so within the incredibly restrictive confines of what's available to talk about on the OF? And that if I were able to bring in data to support my points that you'd not have a leg to stand on?

Seriously, you dont get to act like we would all be intimidated to talk to you without backup when you literally won't accept my invitation to do that exact thing.

The truth is you are only able to make the claims you do because you're doing so in an environment that defends you by it's very terms of service.

So if you're intimated to speak to me outside of the forums that's fine, just dont go trying to project that fear onto others.

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[Lucy_Pyre]

In a classroom the teacher student relationship is already established. In a roulette it isn't

And if I go into that roulette with a PvE mentor crown on then it actually is. So that entirely invalidates your whole point. Of course the majority of mentors in this game are completely in the group of players who need to be told how to play, but that's beyond the point.