It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Theodric]

Your argument is entirely hyperbolic. If this were a new MMO then maybe, just maybe you'd have a point, but this game has been around for almost a decade now. Introducing a feature like this now wouldn't stop the masses of RPers and glamour hounds from enjoying it because their communities are already well established. On top of that you assume that everyone who buys and uses glamours only do so to show it off to others and not simply because they like it. I couldn't care less if someone else liked my outfit or not, I do it solely for me. New players would only need to use the forums or Reddit or even just ask people in game for others of like mind if they're that concerned about their glamours.

Funnily enough, I'm a role-player myself and the FFXIV community managed to turn me off of it outside of a small, hand-picked group of players. Why, you might ask? Well, quite a few role-players in this game blur the lines between their character and themselves - which might go a long way towards explaining why this innocent suggestion is seen as an 'issue'.

I know quite a lot of role-players who keep to their own little groups and do their own thing away from those who try to force their character to always be the centre of attention.

Certain content like Eureka or Hunts will benefit from having said option. It's not uncommon that some players with a modest system have problems with loading times or FPS, having both options (using generic character model and/or hide others) will help.

I played others F2P MMO's that heavily lean towards selling cosmetics and at least have one of those options. No problems there at all.

It'd be very useful in busy areas in general like Limsa or Eulmore at peak times. Even during a supposed 'dry patch' I find that such places are full of players in the afternoon/evenings on Cerberus.

[Joven]

Funnily enough, I'm a role-player myself and the FFXIV community managed to turn me off of it outside of a small, hand-picked group of players. Why, you might ask? Well, quite a few role-players in this game blur the lines between their character and themselves - which might go a long way towards explaining why this innocent suggestion is seen as an 'issue'.

I know quite a lot of role-players who keep to their own little groups and do their own thing away from those who try to force their character to always be the centre of attention.

I can never really get into RPing, either in a game like this or something like D&D. I kind of envy those who can. I still like giving my characters their own identities and personalities in my head, but I don't like expressing them and can't act "in character".

[Theodric]

I can never really get into RPing, either in a game like this or something like D&D. I kind of envy those who can. I still like giving my characters their own identities and personalities in my head, but I don't like expressing them and can't act "in character".

It's not for everybody, though even just going through the game thinking about how your character would react to situations and the like is enough, I think!

[Kowen]

I realize the OP was 5 months ago, but...

Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

???????

[Theodric]

The OP could easily be role-playing as a maid in-game, to be fair. Even if that isn't the case...quite a few posters, myself included, are in support of the general premise of the thread.

[AnotherPerson]

It's already possible to hide other players if there's too many of them on a screen. It's also possible to turn off spell effects and block another player for any reason to prevent them from communicating with you. If this proposed feature were to be implemented, it would simply be another tool in the form of player choice to tweak the game to their liking.

Hiding people & simplifying effects are usually for latency issues /unable to see mechanics during gameplay - something for Eureka and for Alliance Raids and for traveling in crowded locations but not so much for removing the existence of the character's customizations. Turning everyone into a blob works too for this case because it reduces GPU cost rather than selectively rendering a part of a person's customizations and then blurring out the rest.

That's an awful lot of assumptions there.

Unfortunately, when you start designing games, you're are forced to accept the ugly reality of how awful the consumer base can be and how much problems a feature creates because of a multitude number of problems unrelated to its intended purpose. No matter how great the playerbase, it only takes one potential loophole to cause a snowball effect and ruin the game. That's why there's a saying to not leave things up to chance if you can prevent it from happening in the first place. Now if developers allowed an option to turn everyone into a blob? I'm for it. Less controversial and still works for minimizing resources.

How many players consider glamour to be most important for showing others, rather than simply to make their characters look good to themselves?
Why is house glamour so lucrative if what's important is what other players see?

That's one of the intended purposes of glamour though. It's not mine and it might not be yours, but someone out there has that intended purpose. Houses are part of customization yes, and that's why people complain and ask for SE to expand for more housing. However, for the houses that aren't locked, can you say absolutely that all of the people aren't showing their design of their house or simply forgot to lock their house when they have a message book for people to leave comments?

Plenty of MMOs have this feature or similar, it's not bad game design to give players more options.

Your whole argument is that players are vain morons who have no interest in the game outside dangling their pixels in the faces of others for some kind of bizarre high. Jobs, crafting/gathering, gold saucer, end game, hunts, all of that is so unimportant that such players would up sticks at the thought that as many as 10% of the playerbase can't see what they wear around Limsa.

What MMOs are those? Pray tell. I haven't heard of MMOs that actually allow this specific functionality and remain so popular still, but then again I might as well be living under a rock since I haven't been keeping up to date with most MMOs.

Again, I'm not against giving players more options, only against those that would cause problems.

And yeah, I agree the argument I'm making sounds ridiculous since this suggestion is already aimed to target a particular group of players in the first place instead of suggesting something less controversial with the same effect, but I've seen worse happen.

This just in: Nobody gives two shits what GenericFemMiqote117 is wearing around town. If you're one of the people who would use this feature, chances are you are normally avoiding them. The people who hang around and boredom-spam Holy etc obviously won't use it.
Perhaps you want the option to have your character in other zones be removed too? Everyone in Limsa by the MB, then you can all see my Hrothgar's open shirt and medallion, yeah?

??? I'm confused what you're referring to at this point. Who would be using this feature if not those bothered in DF by pixels and in a social setting such as limsa?

Because if people are referring to loss of immersion for advocating this feature, Glamour in this game is completely canon and plays a role in multiple parts of the game so removing them actually breaks more immersion?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I mean, devs would never implement a feature solely for limiting people's freedom of expression (even if just unilaterally) and reenforcing people's prejudice (hiding males/females wearing the other sex's clothes won't make you more tolerable of it) but ok.

Keep arguing for pointless suggestion #54895689563894

[Joven]

I mean, devs would never implement a feature solely for limiting people's freedom of expression (even if just unilaterally) and reenforcing people's prejudice (hiding males/females wearing the other sex's clothes won't make you more tolerable of it) but ok.

Keep arguing for pointless suggestion #54895689563894

Forcing someone who has a prejudice against certain genders wearing certain clothing to see it constantly won't make them more tolerant either. In fact it'll have the opposite effect and make them more resentful towards that idea. Even if they did have this prejudice what harm would it do to anyone else if they had this feature active?

[Ibkee]

That's one of the intended purposes of glamour though. It's not mine and it might not be yours, but someone out there has that intended purpose. Houses are part of customization yes, and that's why people complain and ask for SE to expand for more housing. However, for the houses that aren't locked, can you say absolutely that all of the people aren't showing their design of their house or simply forgot to lock their house when they have a message book for people to leave comments?

This is all such a massive strawman that it becomes difficult to actually have any kind of meaningful discussion.

You are inventing a group of people who would either stop glamouring their characters or even quit the game over this - when there's no evidence of even a vanishing minority thinking this way.

"But there could be!" you exclaim, unaware of how detached from reality this makes you seem.

And yeah, I agree the argument I'm making sounds ridiculous

It's not ridiculous so much as it is contrived. You have no data, no figures, just fear-mongering that somehow if three players run through town without seeing your Hrothgar's open shirt that the game is ruined and nobody will buy fantasias anymore.

And here's the rub: endlessly on this forum we call for more options in every area of the game - some you want, some you don't - but the important thing is to have the option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to personalize your Final Fantasy XIV experience, nor with SE giving more options to do so.

[Driavna]

I mean, devs would never implement a feature solely for limiting people's freedom of expression (even if just unilaterally) and reenforcing people's prejudice (hiding males/females wearing the other sex's clothes won't make you more tolerable of it) but ok.

Keep arguing for pointless suggestion #54895689563894

"Let's not add a feature just because some people are going to use it for the wrong reason." Love this logic, following it to the ultimate conclusion we should close down FF14 because people here and there use it to harass others.