my thoughts on how to make tank jobs more engaging

[shao32]

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while undertandable i don't share you point of view, let's say they rework DRK again and bring it back to the veterans like us the gameplay we use to love again, will be the new players being dammed for it? not really, why? bcs the current gameplay is still present on WAR by a large margin and PLD in some degree too, if players just loved unga-bunga they have other jobs to fullfill his gameplay preferences, or just heavy burst type of job or braindead MP management they still have PLD they just have to move to them and will enjoy it, glamour can do the rest. not every job needs to be braindead level of accesibility for new players specially consider not all of them start at lvl 1.

The point to have 4 diferent tanks is to have 4 diferent ways to play the role and open a more diverse gameplay experience with diferent ways of engagement, if we have all tanks working the same with little no variance and worse, losing what veterans love when they use to be 3 way diferent jobs from each other it's a bad way to do things and kills the purpose of adding new jobs, thats why i belive DRK have no future with the current build, it will be forever a WAR that can do this or this like now, a WAR that have magical shintens.

homogenisation it's good to a certain point, when every job start to being the same with a diferent skin or minimun gameplay diferences you know they are just doing to much and thats bad.

[bundythenoob]

you can bypass the post limit by editing your post and make it as long as you want ^^

while undertandable i don't share you point of view, let's say they rework DRK again and bring it back to the veterans like us the gameplay we use to love again, will be the new players being dammed for it? not really, why? bcs the current gameplay is still present on WAR by a large margin and PLD in some degree too, if players just loved unga-bunga they have other jobs to fullfill his gameplay preferences, or just heavy burst type of job or braindead MP management they still have PLD they just have to move to them and will enjoy it, glamour can do the rest. not every job needs to be braindead level of accesibility for new players specially consider not all of them start at lvl 1.

The point to have 4 diferent tanks is to have 4 diferent ways to play the role and open a more diverse gameplay experience with diferent ways of engagement, if we have all tanks working the same with little no variance and worse, losing what veterans love when they use to be 3 way diferent jobs from each other it's a bad way to do things and kills the purpose of adding new jobs, thats why i belive DRK have no future with the current build, it will be forever a WAR that can do this or this like now, a WAR that have magical shintens.

homogenisation it's good to a certain point, when every job start to being the same with a diferent skin or minimun gameplay diferences you know they are just doing to much and thats bad.

Believe me when I say I do agree with you that having all 4 tanks NOT play differently is terrible for the veterans, but what I meant to get across in my original post is that the current kit has potential to become better. I'm not saying I prefer this kit, but more like

I doubt Square is gonna go back to STB DRK, since they seem to be obsessed with accessibility. I'm more suggesting this because I feel that they are more likely to tweak current DRK kit than to go back to STB Kit

but trust me i would love nothing more than to get STB DRK back. Even with its imbalanced clunkiness, it was such a beast of a class and gave me a rush everytime i played it, from just dungeon dailies to EX trials. I was even getting gear for savage (something I had never done before) when SHB dropped and crushed my drive to bother getting good.

Why git gud when the only thing i have to do is learn a dance? it's no longer about mastering the class while mastering the dance. at least that's my viewpoint on it.

[shao32]

Believe me when I say I do agree with you that having all 4 tanks play differently is terrible for the veterans, but what I meant to get across in my original post is that the current kit has potential to become better. I'm not saying I prefer this kit, but more like

I doubt Square is gonna go back to STB DRK, since they seem to be obsessed with accessibility. I'm more suggesting this because I feel that they are more likely to tweak current DRK kit than to go back to STB Kit

but trust me i would love nothing more than to get STB DRK back. Even with its imbalanced clunkiness, it was such a beast of a class and gave me a rush everytime i played it, from just dungeon dailies to EX trials. I was even getting gear for savage (something I had never done before) when SHB dropped and crushed my drive to bother getting good.

Why git gud when the only thing i have to do is learn a dance? it's no longer about mastering the class while mastering the dance. at least that's my viewpoint on it.

I think you mean that you agree with me on having all tanks playing the same is bad for veterans perhaps?

idk how long you has been playing but i will told you an anecdote, in ARR bard was more or less right now just more simple of course and then in HW they transform the job in to a casting one, every attack have to been casted at certain level changing complety how the job use to be, it wasn't fun and ppl complain about it, what did SE? it take the entire expansion but in SB they did fix Bard and make it great and fun for those who love his movility and such.

you shouln't give up on something you like just bcs SE change it, they make mistakes and they revert those mistakes if we complain, if you loved SB DRK fight for it, you are paying for a service that have a feacture that use to be great and a lot of fun independent of the balance, it can be fun it that way if we insist on it and nobody will miss current DRK ever, the only think fun about the job right now it's TBN only.

[bundythenoob]

I think you mean that you agree with me on having all tanks playing the same is bad for veterans perhaps?

idk how long you has been playing but i will told you an anecdote, in ARR bard was more or less right now just more simple of course and then in HW they transform the job in to a casting one, every attack have to been casted at certain level changing complety how the job use to be, it wasn't fun and ppl complain about it, what did SE? it take the entire expansion but in SB they did fix Bard and make it great and fun for those who love his movility and such.

you shouln't give up on something you like just bcs SE change it, they make mistakes and they revert those mistakes if we complain, if you loved SB DRK fight for it, you are paying for a service that have a feacture that use to be great and a lot of fun independent of the balance, it can be fun it that way if we insist on it and nobody will miss current DRK ever, the only think fun about the job right now it's TBN only.

ah yeah my bad, i meant having all 4 tank jobs play the same was bad for veterans. :P thanks for catching that mistake hehe

On a side note, I've been playing on and off since ARR, and I very well remember the bowmage days when HW first dropped, but had to quit due to money issues. When I came back during STB I was surprised that Square had gone back on their changes and reverted BRD to be fun again, somehow managed to make PLD and SCH more fun, AND they kept most of what made DRK so unique during HW. I used to play this game so much and was having so much fun that I made 2 separate characters just to level different classes and enjoy the story again. I was extremely hyped for SHB, but when it dropped, i was so shocked at the Tank and Healer changes that I unsubbed after beating the story a month after the xpac dropped.

After coming back almost a year later, I really want to believe that Square will listen and revert both DRK and WAR, as well as revert healers back to being skilled, but I have also lost a lot of hope because not much has changed compared to when SHB first dropped, despite all of the complaints and backlash. I really wish the content creators of this game also felt this way, but sadly most of them are a little too positive minded to see these changes as anything but harmful to the long run of the game.

[shao32]

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it's ok you welcome ^^

you know i feel the same way, when in the first fanfest they show the trailer and the WoL switch to the last job i was literally euphoric when i saw the sword bcs i knew since the first frame he switch to DRK and my friends was like laughing for my reaction in a good way, i was super excited for the expansion and when i saw the jobs changes specially the DRK ones all my exciment dissapear complety, i never feel so bad for something like this before, i wasn't interested for the expansion anymore but still keep playing hoping that feedback make SE reconsider at least great part of the changes on DRK to make more like it was with the new stuff but nope.

after i complete the story and saw even the story the Wol never used the power of darkness or something similar to get rid of the light my dissapointment for the expansion become greater, yeah the ascian part was nice but the rest? meh, so since them i barely play, i just do my raid days wich right now is almost none since we are in stand by due e cleared everything already and keep my house, i really wanna unsub but i don't wanna leave my friends and someone have to tank in the raid apart of keep my house so for now im supporting the game hoping all this will be fixed at least in 6.0 since they aren't going to do anything around half of the expansion lifetime, they never do anything important at this patches but i have clear if they don't fixed DRK and tanks in general for 6.0 i will abandom the game, they gutted to much everything i loved it wont be wordy spend another 2 years with the depresion the current status is giving me since i wanna play but i can't enjoy it anymore.