How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[Tlachtga]

I realised that the reports of the FFXIV community being one of the nicest in gaming was a lie.

Its nothing more than a facade; in reality its just like every other gaming community, albeit neutered by a rather strictly enforced ToS that limits what people really want to say.

I hate the fakery. I hate the anti-improvement attitude that is ingrained in the playerbase. I hate the idea that people are seen as villains for simply wanting fair effort from teammates in a cooperative game.

I stopped regularly doing Duty Finder content about 2 months ago. It's not fun anymore. Especially considering how the jobs are now.

[Darkmoonrise]

Actually, I don’t remember how I behaved at the beginning of my ffxiv journey. But currently, here is my behaviour: I stopped bothering. The time I bothered myself into teaching good practice or awaiting good performance is long gone.

Basically, I do my best and ignore others behaviour. This only applies to 71+ content. oh and a level 70+ sprout is not a sprout to me (if you bought a jump potion, it’s your duty to know how to play your job prior entering an instance, not mine). For lower level content, I’m “activating” those points accordingly to the level of the content. For instance, big pull on Sastasha makes no sense. Or sprout dying on mechanics they never saw is fine.

• As a tank, I do big pulls, pop my def cd, don’t dance around the boss, avoid aoe, mitigates unavoidable aoe.
• As a tank if the healer doesn’t dps, I don’t use my def cd and doesn’t avoid aoe. This, of course, to prevent the healer to die from boredom. Joke aside, I’m not gonna do thing if other don’t.
• As a tank, I wait for other to be ready before each “section” of the instance but as soon as they are, it’s rush time. I accept 1-2 pulls from others. But more than that and I let them tank.
• As a healer, I keep people alive and I dps as much as I can.
• As a healer, I rez all the time. The rest of the group is not gonna do the work for other. If someone dies multiple time because they fail at their job, it’s kick time. “We’re not here to do your job.”
• As a dps (note that I’m bad at dps role so I rarely play them), I avoid aoe and do as much dps as I can.
• As a dps or heal, I don’t pull and let the tank pace the dungeon. I prefer big pulls but don’t mind single group pulls.
• As a dps or heal, if the tank doesn’t wait for others to be ready, I take my time to join the fight.

I await the same from the rest of the party. If I’m in bad day and fail mechanic and die and don’t get rez’d or being kicked, fair enough for me. If I forgot def cd on a tank buster, I apologize and thanks the healer who had to deal with my incompetence. If I totally fail my dps rotation and I’m as useful to DPS as a fork to eat a soup, I apologize and try to do better.

From a chat point of view, I say “Hi” at the beginning of the dungeon and “bye” at the end. If the mood is good and people are joking and laughing in chat, I participate with enthusiasm. If someone ask for advice and I got the info, I answer and try to help them. If someone insult/complains/is mean, I ignore and blacklist them (as soon as I exit the instance) (On the other hand, I must admit that I like people raging for no reason, it’s one of my guilty pleasure) If someone has a request I can fulfil, I do it, for instance an under geared healer asking for small pulls is not a problem for me. In any case, I never say mean stuff. If something doesn’t suit me, I just stay silent and leave. Otherwise, I happily participate to the discussion.

In “HL” PF (understand ex and savage content), my rule of thumb is: “If the group suits me, I stay. Otherwise, I leave without a word”.

In train PF,

• As long as there is progress, wiping is all ok. But if the group wipes multiple times (>10 times) on the same mechanic. That’s a no go for me.
• If someone fail the basic of its job, I leave.
• No dps healer or tank, is ok in train. Low dps DPS is fine too.
• As a healer I try to keep everybody topped (and shielded if necessary) and don’t mind people eating damage.
• If I’m in a bad day but joined anyway and I’m failing at my job, I apologize and leave. I’m not here to make others waste their time.
• Tank rushing multiple times after the same wipe before we’re able to figure out what is going on, is a no go.

In farm PF, I’m more demanding.

• Wiping 1-2 time per try is fine, more is a no go.
• No dps healer/tank is a no go.
• No def cd tank is a no go.
• People eating avoidable damage too often is a no go.

So yeah, to summaries: I do my best and await minimum competence from other. If a group doesn’t fit me, I leave. If the chat is cool, I’m cool. If the chat is mean, I’m mute.

To finish on a good note, I must say that the vast majority of the groups I end up with, both df and pf, are fine. I rarely start a vote kick or leave group. And I trained myself to ignore and forget bad experience and try to remember the good one, that’s helping a lot.

And the most valuable thing I learned is: “Don’t play with people if you’re not in the mood for it”. There is plenty of solo content in ffxiv to avoid people when you had a bad day and your tolerance level is too low.

[RyuSaarva]

I realised that the reports of the FFXIV community being one of the nicest in gaming was a lie.

Its nothing more than a facade; in reality its just like every other gaming community, albeit neutered by a rather strictly enforced ToS that limits what people really want to say.

I hate the fakery. I hate the anti-improvement attitude that is ingrained in the playerbase. I hate the idea that people are seen as villains for simply wanting fair effort from teammates in a cooperative game.

I stopped regularly doing Duty Finder content about 2 months ago. It's not fun anymore. Especially considering how the jobs are now.

almost sounds like that you are the bad guy who keeps yelling at other people and then get mad when people call out your toxicity.

[Tlachtga]

almost sounds like that you are the bad guy who keeps yelling at other people and then get mad when people call out your toxicity.

That's a cute jump to conclusions. Still perpetuating the facade, I see. The FFXIV playerbase can't be bad! It must be me!

Actually I just enjoy a cooperative experience where everyone contributes their share of the effort required to beat the duty.

FFXIV has become...not that.

[Tsaranoga]

That's a cute jump to conclusions. Still perpetuating the facade, I see. The FFXIV playerbase can't be bad! It must be me!

Actually I just enjoy a cooperative experience where everyone contributes their share of the effort required to beat the duty.

FFXIV has become...not that.

I have discovered that all communities in every MMO say they are better than all the others, but really, we are all just human.

[ItMe]

I have discovered that all communities in every MMO say they are better than all the others, but really, we are all just human.

I dunno man, that's true to a point, but this game's community has been FAR AND ABOVE more welcoming and understanding than League of Legends or any of the FPS games I play.

[Rilifane]

I dunno man, that's true to a point, but this game's community has been FAR AND ABOVE more welcoming and understanding than League of Legends or any of the FPS games I play.

You can't really compare MMO to MOBA/ FPS communities though.
Those are, by nature, completely different. MMOs always had a heavy emphasis on the social aspect while in FPS and MOBA that is basically non-existent because the goals are different. MMOs offer a lot of things to do outside difficult endgame content and are suited to "just spent time ingame" while FPS/ MOBA are heavily competetive and don't really encourage "just playing a bit" or social interaction. And the fact that you're heavily dependant on your group's performance is also a huge factor why FPS/ MOBA communities are generally less understanding and short-tempered.
They target completely different audiences so it's only natural for them to have completely different communities aswell.

While many MMO players view FPS/ MOBA players as a bunch of toxic, ranting little kids, many FPS/ MOBA players see MMO players as a bunch of whiny little princesses who cry when you don't cuddle them.
And neither are completely wrong...