Which jobs is at its prime?

[Seraphor]

That's pretty much how everybody who played in SB perceive its own "main" job in Shadowbringers I think. ... NIN mains are unhappy about the rework or their job since ShB. ... RDMs are unhappy too... In the end, everybody who took the time to master a job in stormblood is left unhappy about the changes.

I mean, who isn't except DRG and BLM ? Nobody.
That's a shame, but we'll have to endure 'till 6.0

Er... what?
NIN is the currently the best it's ever been, and RDM is virtually unchanged since SB except for a better AoE rotation and an extra finisher.

Tanks are by far a disappointment in ShB. They are at their prime. Aggro is 100% easier than before. No more struggling. defence cooldowns are better and tanks take less damage overall. Better skills, both single target and aoe. All tanks are much better now than they ever were. SE has done a great job balancing them.
Now, as for healers, they are the most unbalanced role. Ranged dps need help as their damage does not compare to casters or melee, but healers were killed off to the point all you see is whm. Like, where is sch and ast? If not raiding, then they don't matter. Whm is the only healer you need

I think you mean "far from" not "by far" but I mostly agree.
I don't play much of WAR or PLD, but I gather PLD is in a fairly good place, although WAR seems to have been further simplified.
I prefer the new DRK, although I know many don't, and GNB is great.

[Yani-Madara]

I agree that BRD is in bad place but the AoE is definitely not too simple imo and is one of the great things about BRD, it can't be put in a set rotation and even general guidelines aren't very usefull. It's feelcrafty and you have to feel when and how to dot mobs as well as how to manage your songs and procs. I really think a BRD that knows what they're doing can outperform every job in this game AoE dps wise, while a BRD that only does the bare minimum will do less than any other job probably. High skill ceiling for AoE.

This doesn't concern you in particular, but it annoys me when people ask for an ability like Bane for BRD, since that would likely mean significant nerfs to its AoE dps and they'll be stuck then in another rigid rotation like other jobs, which also wouldn't fit their flavor I'd say.

I get that and my bad for not being more specific. I meant that when gigantic mobs get pulled we don't have much at our disposal to deal with them so it turns into a quick nock spam and keep dots on 1 or 2 enemies.

I had read a BRD guide and after a certain count (may have been 5 not sure) it said nothing is better than spamming quick nock. I'd just like for more tools to deal with those gigantic mobs, even if it were more skills like shadowbite.

[Yani-Madara]

Er... what?
NIN is the currently the best it's ever been.

I absolutely despise the current Nin to a point that I can't play it without getting angry since outside burst it's 123, 123, 123 bhava and no more double weaving.

Some people may like it but there were multiple threads of angry players when the changes happened so saying everyone is happy with the class wouldn't be accurate. There's less complaints around now because some Nin mains quit the game.

I know it's just a difference in opinions but something wasn't clearly right when they managed to anger half their base.

[Eliadil]

Er... what?
NIN is the currently the best it's ever been

RDM is virtually unchanged since SB except

Stormblood's ninja would like to disagree (but maybe it was actually too strong at the time).

And while RDM is in a far better spot than it was at the release of ShB due to most of its low damage being buffed, I think that RDM players are still kinda salty about SMN still being the invincible king since its "rework". RDM is fine overall, but SMN completely overshadows the class right now, and that's the problem.

[HeulGDarian]

Stormblood's ninja would like to disagree (but maybe it was actually too strong at the time).

And while RDM is in a far better spot than it was at the release of ShB due to most of its low damage being buffed, I think that RDM players are still kinda salty about SMN still being the invincible king since its "rework". RDM is fine overall, but SMN completely overshadows the class right now, and that's the problem.

Smns are also unhappy by the "rework". Literally this is Just a worse version of stormblood smn in every aspect.

[Mhaeric]

The majority of people who stopped playing Ninja didn't stop playing Ninja because of rotation changes. People stopped playing because ninja was contributing less damage than everything but dancer but which still took way more effort to achieve than most jobs despite the simplification of the rotation. They got a dps re-tune in 5.1 and ended up in a good spot again. The general vibe tends to be one of two views: people that love the mudra changes because it makes the job playable for them, or people who like most of the changes but dislike the pace of the new mudra yet understand why it was done. Yes there are people who claimed they rage quit in angry posts about GCD mudra, but you get that kind of posing with any job any time changes happen. They were far from the majority.

Someone in a thread from back then summed it up the overall average response to the changes pretty succinctly: "It feels different, but it doesn't feel bad..."

And while RDM is in a far better spot than it was at the release of ShB due to most of its low damage being buffed, I think that RDM players are still kinda salty about SMN still being the invincible king since its "rework". RDM is fine overall, but SMN completely overshadows the class right now, and that's the problem.

SMN completely overshadows every job in the game right now. RDM has nothing to do with it.

[Katie_Kitty]

Er... what?
and RDM is virtually unchanged since SB except for a better AoE rotation and an extra finisher.

Well this is a pretty silly argument. RDM has long been treated as a joke, sadly. Trust me, I know - I've been playing the job since StB and in fact it's the main reason why I came back to the game when that expansion dropped. Saying "It's just like stormblood RDM except maybe slightly better" isn't saying much. It still sucks compared to the competition in its role, and many people still roll their eyes when they see one pop up.

Here's a fun little game you can play. Why not spend some time viewing the static recruitment ads to see what jobs people looking for casters are advertising for? You will see a lot of "We want a SMN, but BLM works fine too." Hey, for people just playing through the story, RDM is fine. But RDM fans who clear savage have pretty good reasons to be annoyed with the state of irrelevance the job seems permanently stuck in.

[Miminming]

If your static need a RDM at this point, they are a joke (lol no seriously tou should consider to leave them)... i main SMN but decide to change to RDM this patch because of how SMN gameplay is clunky vs RDM fluid gameplay, it's simple yet fun dish more than enough damage can save many run even both healer death, Fun enough for me to throw away my book that i use for 2 years.

Sometime high dps is not the answer...

[Katie_Kitty]

If your static need a RDM at this point, they are a joke (lol no seriously tou should consider to leave them)...

What is this even supposed to mean? RDM is a caster, you take a RDM because you need a caster. This is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. RDM isn't some job you take because you need dualcast raise. It's a job you take because you need a caster. Also, if your party thinks the difference between a RDM and a SMN is the difference between enrage and a clear then what does that say about your party?

i main SMN but decide to change to RDM this patch because of how SMN gameplay is clunky vs RDM fluid gameplay, it's simple yet fun dish more than enough damage can save many run even both healer death, Fun enough for me to throw away my book that i use for 2 years.

Sometime high dps is not the answer...

There are lots of things to love about Red Mage. It's my favorite job for a reason. It was even my favorite job during 5.0 when it was arguably the worst job in the game due to its low DPS and its inability to even maintain its own single-target damage rotation without going out of mana. It's never going to be bad enough for me to abandon it and if it was then the solution is to complain a lot until it gets fixed.

But that's not the point. The point is how job balance impacts player perception and how that impacts the game experience for people who love certain jobs. If you have to constantly justify your own existence while someone playing a different job has people clamoring for them to join simply because of the job they play, then that reflects poorly on job balance.

[Miminming]

No, the point is OP ask what jobs in its prime, not what job is having the highest DPD and RDM is definately on its Prime based on how low they complain they are having atm and even satisfaction poll on several site (not official so i say not that reliable).