Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

[BasicBlake]

I am happy that there are potential "options" when it comes to casters, but I don't think we will be getting more then one more. At least anytime in the near future.

I don't think they are going to have some Onymuji show up and go "I'm not like other girls" and just give us access to the illegal magic and have a nice little Warcraft DeathKnight sequence where everyone hates you and throws fruit at you when you enter a city. This would make the Necromancer healer loyalists way too powerful. Ony is the eastern Necro, not in practice but in it's the illegal mage of the continent.

If they were to add it, I feel that it would just end up cannibalized into whatever Geomancer ends up being, and taking the name Geomancer.

[MirronTulaxia]

I mean, I agree we probably only have one more. That doesn’t change there are a lot of possible options that one more could be.

They could. Or again they could have some alternate Onmyouji which is less questionable. Or maybe it’ll be their answer to people wanting a “dark” spell caster.

And we could get an Onmyouji with Geomancer elements, vice verse, or something entirely different.

[Katie_Kitty]

Sage :

• Weapon diversity : Another staff/rod jobs ?
• Job diversity : Healer or caster DPS
• Job uniqueness : Lorewise, nothing is unique from using black magics and white magics, and the fact that it's an upgraded version of RDM in many ways make it pretty worth nothing.
• Job popularity : 2 main FF games, 3 Tactics, the jobs existence is known at least

[3/4]

If you would describe a Sage as "an upgraded RDM" then I'm not sure you really understand what a Red Mage is. RDM isn't just "A mage that uses both black and white magic." The entire point of a Red Mage is its versatility not just in spellcasting but for combat in general. That means melee attacks with its sword as well as its spellcasting. It's supposed to be able to serve effectively (but not amazingly) as both a backline caster and a frontline fighter. I would never change a RDM into a sage and say "welp he's been upgraded." RDM to Sage is a completely different mindset and a completely different role.

With that said, I agree Sage is unlikely. It simply wouldn't have a place in the game. A spellblade melee is more likely although personally I'd rather they just expand on Red Mage's melee abilities and focus on something else for a new job instead.

[MirronTulaxia]

If you would describe a Sage as "an upgraded RDM" then I'm not sure you really understand what a Red Mage is. RDM isn't just "A mage that uses both black and white magic." The entire point of a Red Mage is its versatility not just in spellcasting but for combat in general. That means melee attacks with its sword as well as its spellcasting. It's supposed to be able to serve effectively (but not amazingly) as both a backline caster and a frontline fighter. I would never change a RDM into a sage and say "welp he's been upgraded." RDM to Sage is a completely different mindset and a completely different role.

With that said, I agree Sage is unlikely. It simply wouldn't have a place in the game. A spellblade melee is more likely although personally I'd rather they just expand on Red Mage's melee abilities and focus on something else for a new job instead.

I mean, most of the time a Red Mage is subpar compared to other options. Pretty much everything winds up being an upgrade even if it’s not better in literally every area. It ultimately is a mage though, so Sage is generally the closest thing to an upgrade. Explorers and III certainly make them parallel each other a bit.

That said they could do Sage in a different manner from Red for sure. Just look at how Scholar and Red Mage differ and it’s pretty obvious you can make Sage diverse.

[SeikishiYuuki]

If you would describe a Sage as "an upgraded RDM" then I'm not sure you really understand what a Red Mage is. RDM isn't just "A mage that uses both black and white magic." The entire point of a Red Mage is its versatility not just in spellcasting but for combat in general. That means melee attacks with its sword as well as its spellcasting. It's supposed to be able to serve effectively (but not amazingly) as both a backline caster and a frontline fighter. I would never change a RDM into a sage and say "welp he's been upgraded." RDM to Sage is a completely different mindset and a completely different role.

With that said, I agree Sage is unlikely. It simply wouldn't have a place in the game. A spellblade melee is more likely although personally I'd rather they just expand on Red Mage's melee abilities and focus on something else for a new job instead.

Yea I really don't see sage being a thing unless they somehow make ancient magics like Flood, Burst and so on a real critical part of the kit. I could see them giving us Runefencer to fill that magical melee spot, if not then I imagine they'd probably roll that into rdm a bit more and give it some more identity as a spellblade caster.

[gumas]

if there is a new tank class, the best i can think is probably hammer for the weapon. either 2h hammer or hammer with giant shield.

for new healer class... maybe something like songstress? with harp as their weapon? probably no chance though since lore & look wise it will overlap with bard.

melee dps, sword whip? yoshi seems like the idea for unique weapon.

magic dps, something like talisman? you know that onmyoji stuff thingy, SB is already japan centric so onmyoji like profession is pretty much easy to put in FF14

[Seraphor]

Yea I really don't see sage being a thing unless they somehow make ancient magics like Flood, Burst and so on a real critical part of the kit. I could see them giving us Runefencer to fill that magical melee spot, if not then I imagine they'd probably roll that into rdm a bit more and give it some more identity as a spellblade caster.

Runefencer is already rolled into RDM due to the fact that RDM has many of the skills Runefencer had in XI, plus an enchanted melee combo.

They could perhaps distance Runefencer from 'Mystic Knight' and have that as a different sort of magic-melee job. But it probably wouldn't wield a sword.


I seriously doubt Sage will be a job, given that it's regarded as a sort of 'ultimate' job. In the same sense as Seer is an uber-powerful WHM, Magus is for BLM, and Sage is for RDM. These roles are reserved for certain NPC characters who are deemed to be the foremost experts in their field. Matoya is a Magus, and I believe Louisoix was a Sage, while Seers are only spoken of in Bozja iirc.

[MirronTulaxia]

Runefencer is already rolled into RDM due to the fact that RDM has many of the skills Runefencer had in XI, plus an enchanted melee combo.

They could perhaps distance Runefencer from 'Mystic Knight' and have that as a different sort of magic-melee job. But it probably wouldn't wield a sword.


I seriously doubt Sage will be a job, given that it's regarded as a sort of 'ultimate' job. In the same sense as Seer is an uber-powerful WHM, Magus is for BLM, and Sage is for RDM. These roles are reserved for certain NPC characters who are deemed to be the foremost experts in their field. Matoya is a Magus, and I believe Louisoix was a Sage, while Seers are only spoken of in Bozja iirc.

Eh, Sage has shown up as a distinct job multiple times balanced relative to Red Mage and other existing jobs, I don't think it's ridiculously unlikely. As far as jobs that use White Magic go it's really only that and Devout/Seer/Spiritmaster left, which are at least not terribly unexpected for them to look at for a new healer. Given what they did with Scholar I would say it's relatively plausible.

Kind of a side note, I find it interesting that even though the Japanese title for Seer/Devout/Spiritmaster is the same we've gotten three different translations for the same job. We also have seen a Devout, Lamitt. Or at least that's the title she had. So if we take all of those "superior" jobs as being the same rank then Sage isn't really above the others.

[SeikishiYuuki]

Runefencer is already rolled into RDM due to the fact that RDM has many of the skills Runefencer had in XI, plus an enchanted melee combo.

They could perhaps distance Runefencer from 'Mystic Knight' and have that as a different sort of magic-melee job. But it probably wouldn't wield a sword.


I seriously doubt Sage will be a job, given that it's regarded as a sort of 'ultimate' job. In the same sense as Seer is an uber-powerful WHM, Magus is for BLM, and Sage is for RDM. These roles are reserved for certain NPC characters who are deemed to be the foremost experts in their field. Matoya is a Magus, and I believe Louisoix was a Sage, while Seers are only spoken of in Bozja iirc.

Yea I feel like they could do a mystic knight but there's potentially other more interesting melee they could do, maybe something completely or mostly original . I agree about the "Ultimate job" thing it just feels like here's C Job+1 and that point, they again could do something more unique and interesting.

[EdwinLi]

I still hope one day for a Modern Assassin job. Few RPGs have potential lore and chance to do this unless some kind of Sci-fi influence is in the RPG which we have due to Allagan Empire and Garlean Empire technology.