Suggesting Ideas for Blue Mage with feedback & Removing Limited Job Status

[JennytheJester]

Like a lot of people here have mentioned, a lot of what makes Blue Mage itself and its identity boils down to abilities that in some cases are just blatantly overpowered so they can't really incorporate them. I.E Missile, or low level mobs vs 1000 needles. The only way you'd see them in current content would require them to basically do away with what makes Blue Mage itself.

Another thing they could, and I wish they'd do is introduce more limited jobs, then make limited jobs able to queue with each other. I.E Like Mime, or Puppetmaster. The idea should be expanding Limited Jobs and making them all sort of interact with each other and do raid content so a limited job isn't just you and a handful of other people who are engaging with it. Once that is achieved it not only increases the amount of things to do, it allows for an entirely different community and a lot more job potential for things they want to do, but just can't make work. Hell, if you do that why not even go whole hog with it, add abilities to bosses that Blue Mages can learn from current tier, if you do Puppetmaster enable bosses to drop components they can use to buff their puppets in some regard like plating or weapons. That way you could make it like a sort of "It's designed around the first kill to get your stuff, then after that it kind of quickly becomes simple" because to justify those classes going in there aside from gear and prestige, they should drop things to aid the class, like Blue Mage spells. Add achievements to kill bosses without anyone in your party having used something that would simplify it like a spell from the raid.

I think a lot of the ire directed at Limited Jobs as a concept is they really are only a minigame without any actual endgame to themselves and right now it's exclusively blue mages. Throw in a few more classes, add a limited jobs only queue function once you add more and it can be like its own little community that doesn't feel like an isolated kid they throw toys at every so often to keep them entertained and away from others in the house.

[ShariusTC]

With an organised team aurum vale still takes less than 10 mins due to expansion power creep, blu on saves 3 ish more mins due to missle/ doom working on the bosses

BLU team only have 5 minute run, 10 minutes is way too much if you consider to farm hundred of moogle totem

and you not only can missile the first 2 boss, you can finish off the lst boss when he is about 45-50% HP if your team know how to do full buff final stingt

[ReiMakoto]

BLU team only have 5 minute run, 10 minutes is way too much if you consider to farm hundred of moogle totem

You'll notice I said less than 10 mins, without BLU I've had 7-8 min runs. Youre right that the time adds up, however I find it a lousy justification for the state of a job that you can shave 2-3 mins off an ancient dungeon every 4 or so months when they bring out an event.

[BasicBlake]

Like a lot of people here have mentioned, a lot of what makes Blue Mage itself and its identity boils down to abilities that in some cases are just blatantly overpowered so they can't really incorporate them. I.E Missile, or low level mobs vs 1000 needles. The only way you'd see them in current content would require them to basically do away with what makes Blue Mage itself.

Another thing they could, and I wish they'd do is introduce more limited jobs, then make limited jobs able to queue with each other. I.E Like Mime, or Puppetmaster. The idea should be expanding Limited Jobs and making them all sort of interact with each other and do raid content so a limited job isn't just you and a handful of other people who are engaging with it. Once that is achieved it not only increases the amount of things to do, it allows for an entirely different community and a lot more job potential for things they want to do, but just can't make work. Hell, if you do that why not even go whole hog with it, add abilities to bosses that Blue Mages can learn from current tier, if you do Puppetmaster enable bosses to drop components they can use to buff their puppets in some regard like plating or weapons. That way you could make it like a sort of "It's designed around the first kill to get your stuff, then after that it kind of quickly becomes simple" because to justify those classes going in there aside from gear and prestige, they should drop things to aid the class, like Blue Mage spells. Add achievements to kill bosses without anyone in your party having used something that would simplify it like a spell from the raid.

I think a lot of the ire directed at Limited Jobs as a concept is they really are only a minigame without any actual endgame to themselves and right now it's exclusively blue mages. Throw in a few more classes, add a limited jobs only queue function once you add more and it can be like its own little community that doesn't feel like an isolated kid they throw toys at every so often to keep them entertained and away from others in the house.

I full on expect us to get one per expansion.

[Morningstar1337]

Again, I feel like the role of Limited Job would be best put to use on Jobs that emphasize collecting in some aspect. The best candidates would be Puppetmaster (which can use the "Poppet" and "Gadget" minions if not minions in general) and Beastmaster (which can work with Mounts, Hunt Marks, Fate bosses or mobs in general,and even then I also can see it being a regular job instead).

Actually I can see a Limited Job that grows stronger the more you level Other jobs being plausible as well.

[Leidolf]

Yeah, I agree. Limited Jobs that focus on collecting would be best because at the end of the day they'd be optional. Let's say they make Beastmaster a Limited Job and you can get exclusive beasts from Hunt Targets, but only if the party is Beastmasters Level Sync'd. You don't have to hunt down the giant fox in Yanxia as a BST to get the ability to summon her, but if you want to you're going to put forth the effort. It'd go a long way towards revitalizing older content.

As long as you don't have to pay out of game for them like on Mog Station. P2W would kill a Limited Job.

[Shougun]

Actually I can see a Limited Job that grows stronger the more you level Other jobs being plausible as well.

I feel onion knight could do that, add some rules to stats and equipping abilities, as well as perhaps equipment, then just tell players to go nuts. Equip any spell you've learned, use any armor or weapon, etc. Rules there to make it more interesting to build since you've a structure but not to make it super balanced (a maze for the mind, not for the power balance), like the rules to help players so not everyone is stuck building pure X stat because why would you go half dex half str when it means you do half damage (giving stats their calculation tables for the job). Heck could even give the player reasons to equip DoH and DoL gear. DoH increasing drop chance of rarer gear in the loot tables, DoL increasing drop rates themselves (in other words DoH increases the chance of finding good stuff but DoL increases the chance of actually just getting things, can include chests too with extra chance items drop out of them)- or whatever they think of.

Also I think Onion Knight would be very unlikely to create an uproar like any other classic job people suggest to the limited system, making it a potentially safer choice and also encouraging the entire job system at the same time (by saying 'get as many levels as you can').

Although I'm still of the firm belief that in THIS game that limited should be chaos made fun (and or more ideally made hybrids through being advanced jobs, aka both), pure madness with an emphasis, especially blue mage which I feel should have been building "how many different ways can I create madness" like you get in perhaps diablo 3's legendary affix system (jobs in that game get insane with the right combinations, which is basically everyone at end game), and not closely balanced for anything other than fun. At least imo blue mage is not currently that fun, particularly when I compare it to my other actual jobs which I've more fun playing and find have more compelling complete gameplay and better systems to back itself up. Of course not everything needs to be built to my tastes but current vision of limited jobs is meaningless value to me, adds nothing I'd like to do but directly costs (loses) me content I would have (ultimate content may cost something for example but it doesn't directly lose me something as much as it might delay content I might enjoy, losing a job to only limited however directly loses me something I would have wanted to enjoy). As I love playing normal jobs, would have really loved to make blue one of my normal core jobs (and have had asked for it for a long long while); although, I wouldn't have mind a solo lord job with an engaging kit building system as I could have used that on my free time to go back to old content to farm stuff normally impossible to solo farm. So Blue Mage still gets my pure salt in it's current state, and perhaps forever, and if similar for the other limited jobs then perhaps the entire limited concept for this game. At least depending on implementation, who knows they could wildly differ but if not I think I might just say 'ew' every time a job metaphorically goes to die off my desire list. Alll my table salt. shakes widely lol. I say this as I don't think limited in a concept of a new game is too bad (one where the job grows with new content the entire time, and receives full creative and financial support), especially if it's the first / front version, I think if each job behaved wildly differently for casual content (but vague enough balance to each other to still complete said content within a general time frame, everything built for fun and theme first).. that could be quite neat. Of course you would need a balanced form for pvp and competitive hard pve content though, but beneficially you could make that kit highly tuned for both balance and ability to show personal skill (something that gets stripped sometimes because the kit has to function for casual / non-hardcore players too), otherwise without a balanced version you'll get "stack 12 black mages for this, use only blunt weapons for that, if you don't have sleep spell then you don't get invited, everyone hates your job stop playing, etc".

[SpiralMask]

Actually I can see a Limited Job that grows stronger the more you level Other jobs being plausible as well.

the above-mentioned onion knight or mime/mimic could reward having other jobs leveled pretty neatly.

[Flay_wind]

With an organised team aurum vale still takes less than 10 mins due to expansion power creep, blu on saves 3 ish more mins due to missle/ doom working on the bosses

For the record my new personal best is 4:20.
In addition to Missile, you basically pull everything from the second boss to the second Morbol room then Ram's Voice and Launcher everything inside.
Also you can still shave off ~45% of the last boss' hp with LBStings.
That saves a lot of time.

[SpiralMask]

For the record my new personal best is 4:20.
In addition to Missile, you basically pull everything from the second boss to the second Morbol room then Ram's Voice and Launcher everything inside.
Also you can still shave off ~45% of the last boss' hp with LBStings.
That saves a lot of time.

there's some neat stuff like charts for boss kill% to sting/SD and such floating around for folks looking to really try and optimize speedruns for dungeons