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  1. #41
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    Arngrim_Greyashe's Avatar
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    Grimnir Greywolfe
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    They CAN make the cutscenes skippable, but then you lose your exp from MSQ roulette rendering it worthless to end game players. That will cause long queue times for new players and ultimately work against them.
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  2. #42
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    Alys Isshu
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    The recommendation to chain run the highest dungeons near your level is pretty much only valid for healers. Maybe tanks can get a fast pop here and there but both CM and Prae are far more time efficient for levelling DPS when you add in queue times. And that advice doesn't help when one's outlevelled the expansion they're stuck in meaning that roulettes really are the most (or even only) bang for the buck.

    I hope that if they're considering turning CM and Praetorium into solo instances that they address the niche that their roulette currently fills which is (arguably) a stress-free means to level alt classes and/or farm tomestones.
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    Enix: Hey our new players need help with this dungeon, we'll reward you if you help?

    Players: I'm listening.

    Enix: How about a massive chunk of exp and tons of tomes and you can watch Nextflix and half-afk easy bosses?

    Players: No deal. I still get the reward, right?

    Enix: ....
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  4. #44
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    M'leineya Leoh
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    Personally I would prefer it if we were given the option to skip or not, if one person chooses not to skip then we all are made to watch the cutscenes. idc if it opens it up for trolling, we're being made to watch them all anyways so what's the difference.
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  5. #45
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    Gabriel Morgan
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    They won't because that ruins the experience for new players. It's kinda selfish to ask new players to watch the climax of the base story in a very momentum killing and awkward way because you are too impatient to run a roulette that you don't even have to run.

    Seriously, that's the solution. If you don't like MSQ roulette, don't run it. I almost never run it because I don't wanna bother with the waiting, but I'm not gonna say that it should be changed for my sake. Also as noted, if they added cutscene skipping back in, the rewards wouldn't likely be more than a leveling or a 50/60/70 roulette. The rewards are so big because of the amount of time it takes.
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  6. #46
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Personally I would prefer it if we were given the option to skip or not, if one person chooses not to skip then we all are made to watch the cutscenes. idc if it opens it up for trolling, we're being made to watch them all anyways so what's the difference.
    The difference is that vets will groan when they see the newbie bonus and leave the roulette immediately to try and queue again. Because depending on the time of day trying your luck to get a run without a newbie bonus would be infinitely faster than sitting through the roulette with cutscenes enabled. Likewise anyone who hit 'watch cutscenes' will be harassed. There's no two ways about it. How do I know? Because I was when I ran them back in ARR. Thankfully I had my FC backing me up /because/ of how bad they knew the attitude towards watching those cutscenes was at the time. But that didn't stop the two randos from screaming at me THE ENTIRE WAY THROUGH THE DUNGEON to stop watching cutscenes and how dare I waste their time. The /only/ way this would be viable would be if you only got the huge experience boost if a newbie was present, but then literally nobody would run the roulette because it'd be a toss up as to whether or not you'd get a newbie.

    I think people fundamentally are misunderstanding something here. The MSQ roulette is there as incentive to help new players. That it benefits veterans is a happily intended side benefit to get our butts into the queue to begin with because before all these changes were made literally nobody ran those dungeons. Hell, even when the changes were made SE had to go back in and add MORE incentives to the roulette to make it worth our while before veterans started doing it at a consistent rate. Take away the reason the roulette is there, to help newbies, and open it up for trolling and you lose the reason for SE to even give us those rewards in the first place.

    You get to pick one. Having a long boring roulette that offers insane experience for your time. Or a short, sweet roulette that likely wouldn't offer more than trial and normal raid roulettes combined. But you can't have both.
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    Last edited by Enla; 05-24-2020 at 09:17 AM.

  7. #47
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    LalafellDown's Avatar
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    Or maybe the game just wasnt for her? You cant make it fit for everyone, sometimes it cant be helped...
    No, it really was boring for her. The cutscenes sucked too. I was there with her in the same room. I listened to the complaints and agreed. The whole time from level 1-50. I agree with her based on that we can tell poor quality from good quality. The DEVS don’t hear from new players who quit.

    The most upsetting part is she wanted to fight not watch loads of cutscenes one after another. I told her the DEVS locked it because some people cried about not being able to see the cutscenes. She said that was stupid because not everyone cares for story. I agreed.

    The Devs messed up on these two dungeons. The sad part is that it has to be a roulette. Which only verified that everything they make servers no purpose. Maybe instead of building new dungeons over and over. Build on top of the old ones by revamping them. How about changing those cutscenes into in game moments as we progress through the dungeon. Have the towers and explosions happen as we fight. Have a voice actor talk as we progress to the next adds. By the time we move to the next adds Cid could’ve been done talking.then you won’t miss a story.
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  8. #48
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    Ven Black
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LalafellDown View Post
    No, it really was boring for her. The cutscenes sucked too. I was there with her in the same room. I listened to the complaints and agreed. The whole time from level 1-50. I agree with her based on that we can tell poor quality from good quality. The DEVS don’t hear from new players who quit.

    The most upsetting part is she wanted to fight not watch loads of cutscenes one after another. I told her the DEVS locked it because some people cried about not being able to see the cutscenes. She said that was stupid because not everyone cares for story. I agreed.

    The Devs messed up on these two dungeons. The sad part is that it has to be a roulette. Which only verified that everything they make servers no purpose. Maybe instead of building new dungeons over and over. Build on top of the old ones by revamping them. How about changing those cutscenes into in game moments as we progress through the dungeon. Have the towers and explosions happen as we fight. Have a voice actor talk as we progress to the next adds. By the time we move to the next adds Cid could’ve been done talking.then you won’t miss a story.
    Not everyone does care about the story, but the people who do were getting screwed over because without cutscenes the entire run takes like 10 minutes. It should be made into a solo instance, but until that day comes, the cutscenes need to stay. Then people will complain about the loss of such a generous source of experience.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    Not everyone does care about the story, but the people who do were getting screwed over because without cutscenes the entire run takes like 10 minutes. It should be made into a solo instance, but until that day comes, the cutscenes need to stay. Then people will complain about the loss of such a generous source of experience.
    Don’t get me wrong I enjoy a good story, HW, SB and ShB kept my attention. Even though the quality of the cutscenes are bad I like the story. I don’t agree forcing people to watch it over and over again should be the solution. We also can’t just go in the defense and say others might want to see it when we don’t know that. The solo instance thing isn’t solving the problem. Might as well just make the scenes skippable again or take it out of roulette all together if you’re making it solo. What’s the point?

    What are we really missing in these important cutscenes that need to be seen over and over again? Take Castrum Meridianum, is it necessary to have a cutscene for the first boss to enter? Why not have a in game animation of him entering the combat zone? Perhaps have the boss jump in with style. Same with the second boss why not make the boss fly in game after we plant the explosives and the players enter the boss arena. Why do we need a cutscene?

    Cid talking, why can’t a voice actor talk while we move to the next adds or next objective? Keep the game flowing no need to stop it with each cutscenes. It worked great in SB The Ghimlyt Dark dungeon. You got action going on and NPCs talking. I wish they were all voices acted but it’s still good.

    They just need to revamp a few parts in the dungeon and get the voice actor to talk. The boss intros need to be in game and not cutscenes.

    The towers turning off could’ve been explosive or something. Maybe make the camera focus on the towers switching off while we run forward. that way we see the visuals in game as the action goes on.
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  10. #50
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 88
    I think they simply don't think it's worth it to spend rescources on revamping those 2 shitty dungeons. They're terrible. The pace, dialogue (writing), faceroll gameplay, immensily long cutscenes in a DF duty (seriously, who ever thought this was a good idea?), .. the events don't even make sense. The shitty shounen anime encounter really peaked in those dungeons.
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