So, Mog station here we are

[Liam_Harper]

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

[Sabrenn]

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

I am 80% convinced that they know exactly what they're doing by putting more flamboyant stuff up on the mog and giving us boring outfits. Even the raid gear looks kinda meh in my opinion this tier. Remember coil gear? with the crazy wings and stuff? The alex gearsets? Those had a really cool theme going on. Yeah. I remember. I would not expect anything like that at all anymore because it's just going to go up on the mog while we get recolours, rags or basic armor.

Even the fashion leader thing from gold saucer didn't get one new piece of gear. What was the point of that again? We just got one set of spring gear and then no autumn, no winter, no summer... and then the mogstation has been pumping out stuff.

I don't mind cash shop items, I really don't and have bought stuff on there, but we need to have "cool" stuff in game as well otherwise it feels skewed. I mean look at the low quality of the bunny outfit(s) (if i can even make that plural cause all they added was a collar lol) and then look at this. They clearly had the time to make an outfit like that, so why give us 2 outfits that look identical from events? Seems a bit off. I wouldn't wear either, but you can clearly see the effort put in to each set. I mean remember the halloween event where we got that cute witch outfit and the broom and they added extra outfits to look like a different witch and ghost on the mogstation? Yes we had mog stuff, but the in game stuff was also up to par (imo)

That's all I have to say. Might sound harsh but it's how I feel.

[Skivvy]

Okay, why is your criticism legitimate and everyone else criticizing you folks of being a bunch of whiners about a non-issue not?

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

[DBriggs304]

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

If I bought it, my fancy flowing purple robes dont give me an advantage but you wearing gear with killer stats gives you one.

[Allegor]

Why do people always assume that stuff that is in the store would've come to the game naturally otherwise? no, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Period

[Vidu]

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

I can only offer you my personal theory here and that is that Savage gear is something that is associated with being earned and rewarded for skill - even by those who dont earn it themself. Its not only glamour its also a reward for highlevel content - and while I dont believe that people really "respect" that I do believe that it adds to the value of that gear in at least some minds - we can argue about wether or not thats really justified, but hey thats only my pet-theory anyways!

In regards to that added value that comes from Savage gear being earned with skill, I believe that even people who dont raid might like the idea that they could - and that they could earn that gear, so even if they currently dont have it, they dont want to see it devalued.

And lastly: Even people who dont raid seem to care a great deal about ilvl and stats at times. Its always puzzling to me if someone who doesnt engage in Savage or even EX-primals complains that tomestones are capped (so they cant gear multiple jobs) or that they cant upgrade their tomestone gear (considering that the crafted gear or even the dungeon gear of the current patch are always enough to run an expert roulette). So even if Savage isnt something most people are intrested in, a better ilvl is.

[Malmstrom]

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

[Tsumdere]

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

I feel the opposite. I never liked the primal sets from HW and I love the raid gear this tier. I also think the fairy glam is clownish and find it funny that peole are getting worked up over a mumu with wings. It's all pretty subjective.

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

Is this a serious question? While not NEEDED (nothing in this game is needed because it's all pixels) Savage gear gives you in advantage that can be seen in game. You clear content faster, have higher health pools, and do more damage. Statless glamour does not give you an advantage in anything, not even Fashion Report.

[JamieRose]

Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

I think the onus is upon you to tell us why calling out Squeenix for obviously greedy business practices is not a legitimate critique.

Why do people always assume that stuff that is in the store would've come to the game naturally otherwise? no, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Period

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Oromoney]

It's interesting that Savage gear is the sacred line that the cash shop should not cross for most people, when the common claim is that FF14 is aimed towards a casual playerbase and only a tiny percentage actually raids at Savage or above.

I'm not supporting gear in the cash shop at all, but curious why something that applies to something like 5% of players, that most don't care about and even admit on another thread here that they never intend to try it, is seen as no-go and "winning". While the greater majority of players collect glamour, minions, use retainers and participate in housing, but that's fine. Sometimes people use phrases like "you don't need vanity items", but do we need Savage gear? We don't even use gear in PvP here and logs break ToS so you can never show off your numbers.

So, why IS savage gear (that applies to hardly anyone) crossing the line, when vanity items (that apply to the majority) are all good?

Because savage gear has the strongest stats on it available in the game while it is current and thus just buying the best gear available is skipping into pay-to-win territory?
Because vanity/glamour gear has no effect on gameplay/progress unless you intentionally wear it into content, in which case you're hindering everyone else?

If Savage/tomestone gear ever became directly purchaseable (i.e. buying the best possible current gear), kind of undermines the efforts of people who've had to get to that point right now with current tomestones or mastering difficult content. Why bother doing any current content if there was an option to just buy it with real money? Glamours don't make the game pay-to-win. It's pure vanity gear that you don't need to buy.