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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    finally give a decent water spell.
    A year and a half ago this snippet from a different thead...

    Quote Originally Posted by tinythinker View Post
    I'm in favor of having them upgrade over leveling like other skills. As per a different thread in this forum --
    Fluid Aura 2: The ability loses the knockback and gains the AoE effects Bind and targets have increased vulnerability to wind and water-aspected damage
    I think they already removed the knockback? But the AoE bind still isn't a thing.
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  2. #72
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    If we don't count Blue Mage since it's a limited job, to get every combat category to four they could do a Magic Ranged DPS and a Physical Ranged DPS next. Plenty of options for them to consider. So it might be 7.0 for a new healer. Although I thought I read Yoshi P said they wanted to do a reset on healers (5.0) so they could go forward and build on that. So, I don't see 6.0 or 7.0 as more or less likely for a fourth healer job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    GNB isn't bad to be fair.

    They went with the whole "we didn't release a new tank so we can balance the other 3" excuse for Stormblood and DRK ended up in an absolute mess of a state, while War grew to be bonkers OP. This expansion tanks are boring to play, but balanced performance-wise and the new tank is decent.

    It's clear they did NOT hold back a healer in order to put all their focus into healer design. That's nonsense, they simply didn't bother with healer at all.
    I never said that GNB was bad though if people have seen my posts over on the tank board, I think Tank gameplay/design is crippled anyway.

    That said, to this day I'm seeing people dunk on WHM and how SCH and AST are still valued over it. Not to mention the gameplay design around the 3 healers right now.

    Simply throwing in a 4th healer into this mix isn't something I would have much confidence in. Oh, good. A 4th flavor of boring to play as. Do agree with you on the last part, they didn't withhold a healer for balance, they just did not give a care for healers period this expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinythinker View Post
    If we don't count Blue Mage since it's a limited job, to get every combat category to four they could do a Magic Ranged DPS and a Physical Ranged DPS next. Plenty of options for them to consider. So it might be 7.0 for a new healer. Although I thought I read Yoshi P said they wanted to do a reset on healers (5.0) so they could go forward and build on that. So, I don't see 6.0 or 7.0 as more or less likely for a fourth healer job.
    What..

    Why would they put off healer for another ranged physical?? Players would light the headquarters on fire. 7.0 for another healer. Ma'am.

    They just put out a ranged physical. I would say the scales are tipped towards caster dps and a healer to round things out.

    (This was in no way meant to be rude or anything I am just very baffled)
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    What..

    Why would they put off healer for another ranged physical?? Players would light the headquarters on fire. 7.0 for another healer. Ma'am.

    They just put out a ranged physical. I would say the scales are tipped towards caster dps and a healer to round things out.

    (This was in no way meant to be rude or anything I am just very baffled)
    I wouldn't be shocked if they did skip healer next expac, and honestly, if this is how they treat healers, I want them to. I was, like many, disappointed when I first heard about DNC being a DPS instead of a healer, but after seeing the changes they did to healers, I'm glad DNC is a DPS. SE actually cares about DPS and is willing to at least make them feel good, even if their numbers aren't always where they should be. They don't even bother playtesting healers to make sure they can do their job (looking at you 5.0 AST) or if their main mechanic is actually worth using (remember energy drain? I do.) Hell, fairy is still a broken mess on SCH. You have to weave in her abilities just to have them delayed by up to 10 seconds, and this was never a problem until ShB dropped. If this is the direction they want to take healers,no thanks. I'd rather just have 3 classes that suck over 4 classes that suck.
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    Last edited by Billythepancake; 04-25-2020 at 05:23 AM.

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    Most likely is going to be a healer and a melee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    Most likely is going to be a healer and a melee.
    And whatever melee that is will be the face of the expansion

    Because, y'know, casters aren't "cool" and don't sell product.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    Most likely is going to be a healer and a melee.
    FIVE melee? Don't they complain enough about competing for spots. Five melee to the three casters and three ranged physical. I don't think they will do 2 physical ranged in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And whatever melee that is will be the face of the expansion

    Because, y'know, casters aren't "cool" and don't sell product.
    So far derplander hasnt ever been one of the new classes released with the expansions. Fingers crossed for a DoM for cutscenes this time around.
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    I'm not saying there won't be a healer in 6.0, just that I won't be surprised if there isn't.
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