Shadowbringers starting to feel like a budget expansion

[yukiiyuki]

Have you heard of paid overtime?

Worth of title "Shill of the year", keep going pal.
Finished product means everything work as it suppose to be, look at Aura, if they fixing it by overworking, that means they had issues in ther sheldue.

[Niyuka]

Well it is a pretty much indisputable fact that the amount of gameplay time and content introduced in Shb patches, in comparison to both SB and HW patches (not to mention ARR, but the white knights will just go thats invalid because its not technically an expansion), has been significantly reduced. The number of new areas and assets is smaller (less dungeons, not even a single trash pull in raids or any area to traverse compared to alexander, no new zones like eureka and so on), the Relic weapons so far lag FAR behind their counterparts.
Now, there are obviously players who like this, for one reason or another. They are happy to see gameplay time reduced, mostly (from these forums) because it makes rewards achievable quicker and with less effort. So we can debate whether smaller patches and less gameplay is your personal preference - but we cannot debate whether content patches are smaller all around, because they provably are.

The biggest waste is really Ruby Ex. The only extreme trial of 5.2 already devalued by watching cutscenes and walking through a tunnel zone. There is basically no midcore content in the game right now, its almost all casual, and 4 (5 if you count ultimate) fights for more experienced/skilled groups. Thats it. So objectively, this expansion does not offer anywhere near as much gameplay content as its predecessors. Its just a matter of whether you like that, or not.

[dinnertime]

There is basically no midcore content in the game right now, its almost all casual, and 4 (5 if you count ultimate) fights for more experienced/skilled groups.

Yet in the other thread people are complaining that the augmented AF gear is locked on an EX trial because it's "not for casuals."

[Niyuka]

Yet in the other thread people are complaining that the augmented AF gear is locked on an EX trial because it's "not for casuals."

Thats just people scared of the label "extreme". This current "ex trial" is easier than some of the normalmode raid bosses we have seen.

[Satarn]

Have you heard of paid overtime?

I sure have, but Yoshi P specifically said they did it "in their own time", which definitely isn't something you call paid overtime. The entire point of mentioning it, was that said devs just did it basically out of the "goodness of their hearts".

[Arillyn]

I am curious about people complaining about lack of content. I will preface by agreeing that cutting the expert dungeons down per patch is a reduction and one I wish they hadn't done. Though it's probably because of the Trust system which I will also say I like having for when I want to run one.

However, we now have 5 extreme fights in ShB and we're only in the 5.2 patch cycle. By comparison we had a total of 7 in HW for the entire expansion. So I expect at least 1-2 more extreme fights before ShB is all done (maybe 3 more? Idk).

We have our 8-man raid and our 8-main savage raid series in ShB.

We have our 24-man raid series in ShB.

We have an Ultimate in ShB (I think I'm right there - or did Alexander come out in SB? For the life of me now I'm drawing a blank on that).

Has it been stated there won't be a Eureka type of place for relic? There may have been that statement and I may have missed it. I know there will be more to do to grind out relic but what it will be I have no idea of course. Would it have been good to have more of a grind right now? Probably. Like I said earlier I was expecting more of a grind than we got - not one of the big grinds, but yea a bit more than what we had so I'll give content ppl that. Though if you want to start to get the AF you have to grind out the new extreme trial. Maybe that was SE's grind.

Sounds like no Deep Dungeon for this expac which yea is less content there and I'm disappointed about it. I enjoyed the others.

As for midcore content - there really has never been any midcore content - which has always been a gripe of much of the player base. It isn't just ShB, it's always been like that. Not saying that like it's an okay thing, but this isn't new to this expac. It's either casual or it's been savage and that was it (and then later an Ultimate thrown in per expac).

We also have new content that while it isn't battle content, it is new content (ie. Ocean Fishing, Ishgard Restoration). And yes I know that non-DoH/DoL players don't like to count that, but it is new content and new content that a lot of people have been enjoying.

Could we use more content? Yes (again I wish there was another Deep Dungeon this expac and sad there isn't).

This patch was a big DoH/DoL content patch. SE told us it was going to be. I for one was happy for it. We've never had a big patch with so much done for DoH/DoL. And while many people like to downplay that aspect of the game because it's "not important or real game play" for a lack of better phrasing, it is a core part of the game from all the way back in 1.0 days (you could literally start as a DoH or DoL class in 1.0 and never have to touch a battle class). And while that was revamped for the relaunch of the game, DoH & DoL is still a big part of the game. And personally, I'm glad for that too. I love crafting and gathering. I spend a lot of time doing it. I also do a lot of battle content. I appreciate both.

[NealSnow]

"We also have new content that while it isn\\\\'t battle content, it is new content (ie. Ocean Fishing, Ishgard Restoration). And yes I know that non-DoH/DoL players don\\\\'t like to count that, but it is new content and new content that a lot of people have been enjoying.

Could we use more content? Yes (again I wish there was another Deep Dungeon this expac and sad there isn\\\\'t).

This patch was a big DoH/DoL content patch. SE told us it was going to be. I for one was happy for it. We\\\\'ve never had a big patch with so much done for DoH/DoL. And while many people like to downplay that aspect of the game because it\\\\'s "not important or real game play" for a lack of better phrasing, it is a core part of the game from all the way back in 1.0 days (you could literally start as a DoH or DoL class in 1.0 and never have to touch a battle class). And while that was revamped for the relaunch of the game, DoH & DoL is still a big part of the game. And personally, I\\\\'m glad for that too. I love crafting and gathering. I spend a lot of time doing it. I also do a lot of battle content. I appreciate both."

Heresy of the finest order! That\\\\'s not content!.

But yes Alexander was HW you are correct. But yeah a lotta people are literally comparing the whole oh hw and sb patches included... to x.x5 update... Like the 5 represents SMALL content updates. It\\\\'s a half step, yet people I guess feel it means loads of new content. Like once shb reaches 5.55, then compare to only 4.55. As that was prior expansion so most apt to compare.

Had to shorten the text cause character limits.

[NealSnow]

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