Savage is way to hard nerf it please!

[Jamein]

The following excludes ultimates as thats its own little sideshow.

Everyone here missing the real issue.

Normal modes can be cleared by licking your keyboard.
Savage is puggable right now up to E7, E8 not so much so mainly requires a static.

So, what are we missing? The middle ground.

Solution:

Normal mode - for the lick your keyboard and win content.
Semi - Savage - for a bit more of a challenge, but all fights doable in PF (basically what we have now for E5-E7 and tone down E8 a little)
Savage - Make it harder again so statics have something that doesn't take under a week to clear.

Problem solved on so many levels.

I now have more content to do
I now have other ways to gear up (as mid/semi-savage level would offer an ilvl boost over normal but still lower than savage) and don't cap everything i can do to progress my char day 2 after reset.
Its a natural difficultly progression and the curve goes up smoother, rather than E5/6/7 being relatively easier to PF then BOOM NO E8 for you in PF.
With a better difficulty curve players can naturally get better as they can scale through the content and find where they hit a road block, rather than EZ mode to End game mode in one jump.
The gear curve can be a little smoother rather than going from normal mode to end game in one gear jump.

Games been begging for a mid-core level content for a while and we sort of have it now with what savage has become (minus the last fight of the raid tiers which become a bit of a nightmare to PF sometimes).

In short, keep savage as it is now for first 3 floors, but reduce the final fights difficulty a little, rename it to Not-as-savage raid tier.

Up the difficulty on actual savage for statics.

Ultimate is a completely different thing and isn't included in any of this just keep it as hardest content in the game and its own little thing.

Also add savage dungeons kkthnx.

[Ruru_Nayu]

Please show on this doll where Ramuh bad-touched you

[Cirque-it]

Simple solution.

Make an extra mode. An "Savage-practice" mode for lack of better term.
This mode should be the exact same as the savage varient EXCEPT for the fact the machanics are FAR more forgiving. insta kills reducing your health to 50%

This mode should hand NO LOOT at the end (since you have not yet earned it)
But if you complete the battle correctly, you get a special achievement. The you can make create a party finder with a new mode "Duty-practice complete". Here you can look for other players whom have all practiced, done the work, know the mechanics but don't yet have the kill

I believe this mode would be a crucial middle step. as right now casual players that want to experience the savage content AND progress are completely lost. Not everyone has time to commit to a static group. people have full-time jobs. Some of us have multiple full-time jobs!! That should not forbid us from experience the ultimate encounters

[VenKitsune]

I do think Light rampant on E8S is a liiiitle overtuned for the difficulty tier, only a little, but otherwise thus far everything has been as difficult as expected, as far as i can tell.

[CoffeeBuns]

I don't even touch Savage Mode and I agree that it does need to stay. Just learn to PUG or don't do the content. It's that simple. It's really hard to take you seriously.

[Krojack]

If a raid is impossible to clear using its party finder mechanic, its too hard for an MMO in my opinion.

Eden Savage 5 is WAY to hard for an MMO.

I might agree with you but I know at least 6 people in my FC that have cleared E5s though E7s with party finder. I guess it's not to hard after all.

[Colt47]

I'm going to put out that after clearing e5s, I think it ranks above Furor in difficulty. I'd rather have the first savage fight be EX primal level and then ramp them up from there since it gets people into savage that otherwise wouldn't be there. At the end of the day, though, WoW raiding lost a lot of it's luster with the introduction of Raid Finder because most people don't want to waste hours of their time dying repeatedly to stupid bosses that are numerically hard to defeat.

Let me put it this way: I will grind hardmode in Megaman Zero all day because it's about memorizing attack patterns, not maximizing DPS and praying you don't screw up. Savage content in this game (and just about all MMOs in this genre) is chucking a half-dozen or more people into a group, sticking a DPS timer onto the fight like a challenge mode, and praying that the people are all at the same level of mastery with the DDR mini game and aren't burned out from an 8 hour work day.

Let me give an example of what life is like for every person doing this content with pugs:

1) Finds a PF group.
2) Everyone is like "Hi!" and the stranger might say something like "Man, I've been grinding this for days and I swear I'm going to scream if we wipe one more time because XYZ happens..."
3) Group forms, go into instance, ready check.
4) Party dies to mechanic in the first 5 minutes of the fight.
5) Person rage quits. Someone points out person X did something wrong. Salt fills room.
6) At this point the group sits in PF and gets no one joining because they think it's a fail group, or the group disbands and starts from scratch.

And on top of all this lets say you do clear: The number of chests you get per week is limited by the number of people who have yet to complete the content. Some person misses a chest drop, they join another group, diminish the number of chests that group gets, and now people who could have gotten a two chest group are stuck with a one chest or zero chest group.

Oh, and if you do a later fight in the sequence, you forfeit your chance at a chest from a prior fight in the sequence.

... the OP wants to get into savage WHY?! It's like the more I actually think about what savage is, the more I feel like it is a waste of time and should be excised from the freaking game.

[Kraniel]

Sorry but this is a big no for my part.
I'm just about to clear E5S, and i didn't find it that difficult.
This goes for every other savage/extreme raid i've ever done in this game. The only fight that ever frustrated me was the Titan Extreme fight during ARR days, but even that was mostly because of my PCs performance issues during the fight, and not because of the actual difficulty.

But then again on JP servers people usually aren't very toxic in PF, and i was able to practice with the same group for an hour or so before we decided it was enough.
I can empathize with you for the toxicity, but difficulty shouldn't be toned down because there's some bad apples in the community.
Get some motivated people from PF or your LS/FC and you'll be fine.

[Colt47]

Sorry but this is a big no for my part.
I'm just about to clear E5S, and i didn't find it that difficult.
This goes for every other savage/extreme raid i've ever done in this game. The only fight that ever frustrated me was the Titan Extreme fight during ARR days, but even that was mostly because of my PCs performance issues during the fight, and not because of the actual difficulty.

But then again on JP servers people usually aren't very toxic in PF, and i was able to practice with the same group for an hour or so before we decided it was enough.
I can empathize with you for the toxicity, but difficulty shouldn't be toned down because there's some bad apples in the community.
Get some motivated people from PF or your LS/FC and you'll be fine.

The issue the OP is dealing with is the time they have to play the game and the condition of the players at that hour. Savage fights are best done when one is rested and in good condition: they do not work well for a worn out group of working class individuals in a late evening because a single mess up can break an entire fight. It's not until gear pushes past the hypothetical minimum level that people bypass the limitations from this. I've seen more than a fair share of people who have had 5+ nights of solid practice screw up over and over because of trying to do this on less than 6 hours of sleep and a 16 oz coffee.

The real crux of the issue is the content is branching outside of it's target audience due to the glamour. People want the dye applicable version of the eden armor and the weapon model to match. The only way to get that is to do the savage runs.

If the savage runs offered something more like a unique item for each area cleared, that would help separate the two crowds out. However, what the devs and company are scared of is that they wasted hours and hours of time building content to keep people in the game, only to have it fail to achieve the objective because it lacks any incentives. Case in point, the ONLY reason I'm even doing this is for dye applicable eden gear. I'd rather be doing just about anything else like Ishgard restoration or even just working on buying a house. I've literally never done savage content until this patch cycle.

[Gula]

Checking a certain site that shall be unnamed for very legitimate reasons it's almost definitely bait. Though not as finely crafted as that top percentile player who did the same exact topic a few months ago to similar amounts of sputtering outrage.

4chan isn't a swear you can just say so.