Some views on DPS balance that everyone cares about

[NaiXizi]

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Thank you very much for taking the time to discuss it with me, although I am still a little confused and retain my point. However, I predict that there will be a nice improvement in the gaming experience in 5.2, and I will continue to discuss with other DPS enthusiasts in my game world. In recent days, they have often discussed SMN, and part of my previous speech was based on their opinions. (By the way, many RDM and BLM enthusiasts in my game world hate SMN, and often argue with SMN enthusiasts. LOL, I think this is pathological. And I really hate it when they argue, some people say RDM enthusiasts are all XX (a kind of insulting words), so I was a bit angry and wrote this post)
** GOOD LUCK

[NaiXizi]

[Miminming]

Er... meme aside, nobody sane gonna turn down a 100 perf RDM or tell him to change to SMN... thats just too much of hyperbole... (i know you are probably just joking but... or at least i hope you are just joking... right?)

[SaitoHikari]

So I went into the 24 mans just now by myself to see how things would go for fun - I love me some NieR and hearing Emiko.

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I will add to this, I am someone who has scored 100 historical across the board for the Nier raid.

All that actually means is that...

1) I had BiS when the raid was released, automatically having an advantage over 99% of the playerbase able to access the content (whereas everyone that makes it into the later Savage fights is expected to be reasonably geared in comparison)
2) I knew how to optimize my class, compared to 99% of the playerbase able to enter and clear the content. Oh and I ended up in a run with a Dancer that fed me everything.
3) Most runs clear the content regardless of how much of a disaster each fight could be, and I was enough of a loser to upload those parses in the first place

Nobody should EVER take 24-mans seriously in regards to gauging what needs to be done balance-wise.

[NaiXizi]

Er... meme aside, nobody sane gonna turn down a 100 perf RDM or tell him to change to SMN... thats just too much of hyperbole... (i know you are probably just joking but... or at least i hope you are just joking... right?)

Just a joke, the previous one is just an exaggeration, and the latter is a fact right now in my game world.

Oh, I suddenly remembered that the previous one also happened. In my game world, the top RDM to help recruit players through raid (in 5.08), as soon as he entered the team, his teammates said ：RDM get Out！, then they had a quarrel, the RDM players were angry, and posted this behavior on a forum.

[NaiXizi]

Reshare social forums from my game world










Everyone can open the big picture and see

[Renkei]

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He started it with the personal attacks,

I don't appreciate being threatened with a "Glass house effect" suggestion, or being targeted just because of the class i play in a game,

That kind of discrimination is unnecessary, what you are implying proves my point in my previous post.


As for the actual game balance i don't think there should be this huge of a disparity in-between all classes like there is now, And i have plenty of actual factual experience, If anything the disparity should only be within 750 damage in top percentiles, melee should only be advantaged in fights with up time while ranged advantaged in fights with restrictive up time, there is only clearly issues when one class dominates no matter the situation we call that issue, Imbalanced, and i don't think any class should absolutely dominate any other class regardless of the content of the fight, Current battles are for the most part caster favoring.

[Myon88]

There have been no 'personal attacks' in this thread, except for Jack's clumsy ad hominems a couple of pages back. It is a verifiable fact that all jobs are far simpler than their Heavensward iterations, maybe don't attack other jobs as 'simple' if you're not ready to stand up to scrutiny yourself, those are the actions of a hypocrite. If you view factual corrections as a personal attack, you need to work on how you perceive critique.

Besides, why waste energy guessing how difficult jobs are, when you can simply look at the interquartile range of their performance to feel out their skill gap? Even the 'simple' summoner we have now has a wider range than dragoon, although they are close enough that I will magnanimously call it even. If we can trust the data, only blm (and sam, to some extent) have the right to call their jobs more difficult than the rest.

[Zerathor]

kek,
-labeling everyone who has an issue with smn as a sub 60% black mage or desperate one trick rdms (legit straight out of the gate)
-accusations towards everyone that we're all just one trick ponies and think you're the only person capable of caring about other caster balance (extra hilarious)
-throwing out anyone's arguments if they haven't personally cleared the fight (as though that changes statistics somehow)
-making false accusations that people are willfully manipulating data if it doesn't agree with your agenda
-just being condescending in general

I'm sure theres more I skimmed over, but we can go take some screen caps, not that you'd even believe them lol.

I wont deny making quips, but I certainly didn't throw the first punch. At least own up to your nonsense.

[ReiMakoto]

I'm not sure how many times I have to explain

As someone who has argued with Silverquick before on other threads, when he starts repeating himself its best to just back out, either he'll take the time to understand it or will just keep bringing it up in other threads until he starts to get it when more people explain it. You and others have explained adequetely what his misconceptions are, its on him to understand them.