It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[DragonHunterG]

I think this would be a nice feature. It should change into the Artifact gear for whatever is the current job of that character. Or, as mentioned before, a simple cotton robe for those in a class and not a job. So you could spot the newbies or alts, but also spot those past level 50. It would make loading into areas possibly a fraction faster? It would allow me to stand out a bit more as a Warrior of Light, admiring my own glamour, while I could see other PC's as simply fellow adventurers. I would enjoy it. +1

[Bright-Flower]

I think this would be a nice feature. It should change into the Artifact gear for whatever is the current job of that character. Or, as mentioned before, a simple cotton robe for those in a class and not a job. So you could spot the newbies or alts, but also spot those past level 50. It would make loading into areas possibly a fraction faster? It would allow me to stand out a bit more as a Warrior of Light, admiring my own glamour, while I could see other PC's as simply fellow adventurers. I would enjoy it. +1

If anything I think it would slightly decrease performance not raise it, because it has to check whether to display their glamours, actual gear, default sets or whatever is used for the actual implementation when its rendering characters, instead of just rendering them with the current logic.

[Penthea]

I think this would be a nice feature. It should change into the Artifact gear for whatever is the current job of that character.

No, please don't force me to wear miniskirts. Sch gear never has trousers for female characters. Never mind how the female dnc gear leaves little to the imagination. If I don't display a lot of skin with my glam, then the outfit I have on when unglammed should not either. Don't allow people to essentially undress other players without their control. That would encourage some creepy behaviour.

Or, as mentioned before, a simple cotton robe for those in a class and not a job. So you could spot the newbies or alts, but also spot those past level 50.

Personally I'd rather this for everyone. The idea that another player could undress me without my control, by using a feature permitted by SE, makes me very uncomfortable. I would prefer to appear in some mundane boring as hell long robes than AF, racial or unglammed combat gear (the Shisui set is an example of ultra skimpy statted gear).

It would allow me to stand out a bit more as a Warrior of Light, admiring my own glamour, while I could see other PC's as simply fellow adventurers. I would enjoy it. +1

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from seeing fellow players as mere adventurers.

Unless you have it in your head that only the WoL is allowed to have any sort of fashion sense or individuality?

[Krotoan]

If anything I think it would slightly decrease performance not raise it, because it has to check whether to display their glamours, actual gear, default sets or whatever is used for the actual implementation when its rendering characters, instead of just rendering them with the current logic.

Depending on the implementation it could be more or less. If it's replacement, the client would entirely ignore and discard any individual gear appearance reference, using default or preset sets. Since everyone would be using these sets the textures would be already loaded and available in memory. Depending on how the game loads these (we don't know exactly how) it might improve performance. If this is some sort of checklist type it might make it worse since it would be one more flag per item or character.. but an all or nothing toggle should help or at least not hurt performance.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from seeing fellow players as mere adventurers.

Unless you have it in your head that only the WoL is allowed to have any sort of fashion sense or individuality?

For perspective, if you watch anime take a look at how much the main character(s) sticks out when compared to everyone else. Flashy in a sea of generic generally. This is all i think they're trying to say.

[Lambdafish]

If anything I think it would slightly decrease performance not raise it, because it has to check whether to display their glamours, actual gear, default sets or whatever is used for the actual implementation when its rendering characters, instead of just rendering them with the current logic.

It would still be negligable, regardless of if its an increase or decrease. Gear currently checks whether it is glamoured or not (boolean - 2 options), and then finds the appearance of either the glamour or unglamoured variant (established in the first check) in the game files and set the appearance to that gear piece. Under the new system, it would check if you have player appearance turned on, and if you don't it wouldn't even check if they have a glamour, it would instantly search for the pre-established gearset. Booleans are not performance-intensive, and the change made isn't really quantifiable.

TLDR: You are both wrong and the performance discussion is redundant

[Penthea]

For perspective, if you watch anime take a look at how much the main character(s) sticks out when compared to everyone else. Flashy in a sea of generic generally. This is all i think they're trying to say.

To me it looks more like they want other players to appear as less important, and that doesn't really sit well with me at all. FFXIV is a mmorpg, not a single player game or an anime. I don't think anyone should be expecting to be the main character anymore than anyone else's character. We all experience the same msq. Is it not enough that we are always the star of the cutscenes on our screens? Some people need everyone else to look boring as well?

As I said before I understand and appreciate wanting unglam for lore reasons to avoid seeing things like players in chocobo costumes...but reasons such as "I want the game to appear to me in such a way that there is no other player out there who can upstage me with their outfit, so that I can feel like the true main character" is just selfish.

As with reasons like wanting to preserve gender roles, I don't see SE being receptive to wanting to make other players seem less relevant.

Again...the lore reason remains to be the strongest one for proposing unglam. It's not stating the removal of a real life social group as an argument for its existence, nor is it stating that anyone's character is any more important than anyone else's.

Seriously, SE are not going to listen to reasons that can appear as very selfish. Say that you want the world to appear more authentic. Not that you need to remove men in dresses or make everyone around you generic just so you can feel important.

...why am I trying to help you lot propose a good reason for unglamming...I don't even want the blasted feature in the game.

[Lambdafish]

To me it looks more like they want other players to appear as less important, and that doesn't really sit well with me at all. FFXIV is a mmorpg, not a single player game or an anime. I don't think anyone should be expecting to be the main character anymore than anyone else's character. We all experience the same msq.

We do all experience the same MSQ, so you should know that in your MSQ (as is the case in mine), we play the WoL, the most important character in the world, and one independent of every other player. The game teaches us that we are the most important, and gives us a largely single player story that brushes aside other players as generic adventurers. Can't really blame players for wanting this when the game literally conditions them to think in the way that doesn't sit well with you.

If this were 1.0 or ARR, you would have a point, being an adventurer, one of many in the story would tie the other players directly into you story, but since 2.1, we have been elevated higher than that, and the game is far more of a single-player adventure now than it ever has been.

[Penthea]

We do all experience the same MSQ, so you should know that in your MSQ (as is the case in mine), we play the WoL, the most important character in the world, and one independent of every other player. The game teaches us that we are the most important, and gives us a largely single player story that brushes aside other players as generic adventurers. Can't really blame players for wanting this when the game literally conditions them to think in the way that doesn't sit well with you.

The game doesn't teach us that every player around us is so irrelevant that it would be more suitable to see them in boring clothing.

[Lambdafish]

The game doesn't teach us that every player around us is so irrelevant that it would be more suitable to see them in boring clothing.

It teaches us that we are the legendary warrior of light. So in comparison to the player character, yes they are kinda irrelevant and to have the WoLs epic battle against Hades in the story have a people in frog suits, namazu costumes, moogle heads, santa claus, and a cloud cosplayer, kinda undermines the narrative consistency. Also, I've been advocating for artifact gear, thats hardly boring clothes.

People don't have to want the same thing from the MSQ as other players, nor do they need to have the same opinion towards joke costumes as other players. But the sheer denial of an opinon, and subsequently a feature that allows them to play more how they want with no effect on anyone else, is the point of contention I have an issue with.

[Penthea]

It teaches us that we are the legendary warrior of light. So in comparison to the player character, yes they are kinda irrelevant.

Right so then I guess this means you want all of the scions to get boring clothes as well? They're not the WoL either.

I mean no one else is except for you so then...lets just strip all npcs of their differing clothing and put everyone in long beige robes.

Oh wait, what's this I hear? The npcs are important because they help you in your quests? You could become a WoL because of their help? Well unless you managed to solo the entire game so far, other players also helped you in the same way.

I guess this means every character, npc or player, is actually important.