Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Sebazy]

What even is this discussion about now? =(

My personal two cents here: if you parse green/blue, you’re absolutely fine in my book. I’ve been raiding with arguably the most hardcore FCs in the EU since ARR’s release. My individual parses have never been particularly great and probably never will be outside of casual content as many years of old MMOs has hard wired me to be highly cautious and risk adverse at the expense of GCD efficiency and DPS. These threads would have you think that a casual scrub such as myself wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the end game but yet here I am. Pull your weight, don’t be a primadonna, be consistent and above all. Be reliable. You’ll do absolutely fine as long as you go with a group that’s appropriate to your ability and schedule.

Back on topic. I suspect most sensible people share my opinion that someone parsing at 50% is absolutely fine for the majority of the game. Personally I’d love the meter for when you inevitably get someone who simply isn’t active nor making any semblance of an effort appropriate to the content.

There is no excuse for those that do less than a 5th of my damage on a single target on end game content. None whatsoever. As a healer or even a tank that kind of inactivity often causes very immediate and problematic issues with the run. Yet DPS are coddled and allowed to get away with shockingly low APM numbers and inactivity? No ta. There’s no defence against that in my eyes.

[Adventica6]

♪ I'll only have sex with you if you show me your logs ♪, showwww me your logs.. baby ♪ gotta make sure I'm not with a low dpser......low dpser ♪ (like you) ♪ ~

[QT_Melon]

I didn't latch on to them because they have a negative opinion about parsing. I don't care what people think about parsing. If people wan't to have a negative opinion about parsing, that's alright. I can get behind being a purest in this situation, even if I don't agree with it. It was about coming into a thread, and immediately starting with a bad attitude, threats, and claiming your God's gift to DPS players. What I gave them was a dose of reality.

"I dare you to say something about my DPS" is the biggest damn invite to be slapped back down into reality.

Which again is, you could have left well enough alone and moved on and done something else. You just basically took the flamebait.

[xxvaynxx]

What even is this discussion about now? =(

My personal two cents here: if you parse green/blue, you’re absolutely fine in my book. I’ve been raiding with arguably the most hardcore FCs in the EU since ARR’s release. My individual parses have never been particularly great and probably never will be outside of casual content as many years of old MMOs has hard wired me to be highly cautious and risk adverse at the expense of GCD efficiency and DPS. These threads would have you think that a casual scrub such as myself wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the end game but yet here I am. Pull your weight, don’t be a primadonna, be consistent and above all. Be reliable. You’ll do absolutely fine as long as you go with a group that’s appropriate to your ability and schedule.

Back on topic. I suspect most sensible people share my opinion that someone parsing at 50% is absolutely fine for the majority of the game. Personally I’d love the meter for when you inevitably get someone who simply isn’t active nor making any semblance of an effort appropriate to the content.

There is no excuse for those that do less than a 5th of my damage on a single target on end game content. None whatsoever. As a healer or even a tank that kind of inactivity often causes very immediate and problematic issues with the run. Yet DPS are coddled and allowed to get away with shockingly low APM numbers and inactivity? No ta. There’s no defence against that in my eyes.

I'll go ahead and say I was only bring up their dps only because they were being super rude to me so I was only firing back where it hurts(Probably should have just been an adult and let it be but its late at night and I had nothing better to do). Just want to make it clear I have no problem with people that are green and blue. As I been raiding since alex creator and had MANY static member that parse blue to know you can get by with a blue parse average.

[Oichi]

Oof, here we go, as soon as the subject "parsing" comes up, people start quarrelling... I can only agree with YoshiP, the best is to keep parsers for yourself (if you find it useful to improve) and your static raids (for similar reasons), and within the gray zone of "out of sight, out of mind" for the rest of the playerbase.

[Vahlnir]

Oof, here we go, as soon as the subject "parsing" comes up, people start quarrelling... I can only agree with YoshiP, the best is to keep parsers for yourself (if you find it useful to improve) and your static raids (for similar reasons), and within the gray zone of "out of sight, out of mind" for the rest of the playerbase.

This is how these threads usually end, yeah. Not with a civil discussion but with derailment after derailment. Would I care if parsers were permitted? Probably not. I've been dealing with them in WoW since I started playing about 10 years ago. But they have their pros and cons, and Yoshi P decided to focus more on the cons. That's his choice. I just happen to agree with it. But I would have also agreed with him if he said "parsers for everyone!" instead. Like I said, pros and cons.

[AmeliaVerves]

I'm highly for parsers being officially available in the game and giving ppl some way to see their performance and being held accountable, but I guess we all just witnessed why YoshiPs opinion is the way it is. lmao

[Vahlnir]

I'm highly for parsers being officially available in the game and giving ppl some way to see their performance and being held accountable, but I guess we all just witnessed why YoshiPs opinion is the way it is. lmao

He knows how people are, and is basically saving the player base from itself. It's not the first time he's done this either.

[QT_Melon]

He knows how people are, and is basically saving the player base from itself. It's not the first time he's done this either.

I think a census (though unofficial) came out recently and showed again the clear rates were still higher in JP than NA in higher end content.

https://twitter.com/bwin4l/status/12...673400835?s=21 and of course Lucky Bancho http://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/54309309.html


So still double for JP than NA/EU

I think it's due to how they approach things (though in no way shape or form do I think they're perfect) that gets results like the above vs how we're approaching it. The ratio of casuals may be higher as well. I think however, our method in trying to get people to excel in general is failing DPS meter present or not.

[Penthea]

But the way people come in here with their passive aggressive remarks in regards to lower skilled players just rubs me the wrong way, which is why I don't want official parses because I know how people can be when it comes to pulling low dps.

I'm a pretty easy going person. As long as things die within a reasonable amount of time and no one is forced to seriously carry someone, I'm perfectly happy. I only get annoyed when someone's performance is causing someone else to struggle or work super hard. I do expect more when I do ex and savage. My standards change depending on the content. When I'm doing roulettes with pugs my expectations are far lower than they would be for actual raiding.

But there are some players who expect more all the time. Expecting more isn't necessarily bad but some people go beyond the lines of logic with it. For example I think it's ridiculous to expect people in roulettes who are likely playing mostly for story to try to always push themselves to move past their peak. Some people really need to come back down to earth and remember that story content isn't ex or savage. I have rarely seen complaints in-game but I have seen a lot of it in reddit and these forums. Essentially in circumstances where the person complaining cannot be reported.

Some may say "but in FFXIV I mostly see in-game complaints about performance in ex and savage" and while that is true for me too, I know what happens when you allow in-game parsing because I have seen it in WoW. Those comments about performance that are sometimes only appropriate for more challenging content begin to creep into casual and lower lvl content, where often such criticism is unnecessary. And of course there are mean-spirited people who know the comments are unneeded but they take joy in making someone else feel bad.

So while I think parsers are great tools, and I would like to see some manner of parser come to the game (a personal one preferably), I can completely see why SE are against the idea.

The current situation isn't so bad. SE turn a blind eye to parser use as long as it is not used for harassment or referenced in chat. The main issue with this of course is that ps4 players cannot use add-ons, so they are at a disadvantage when it comes to looking at their own performance on their own.

They didn't get singled out over their low DPS. They got singled out for their attitude. This was a person who made it abundantly clear that they have no interest in improving or make peace.

Not just that, they literally threatened to report anyone who dared to comment on their dps, and even went as far as to say we don't pay their sub so we have no right to comment on it. Personally nothing I said was related to their dps. I honestly don't care about their numbers. But their cheeky attitude along with the assumption that they were untouchable made me eyeroll so much. They made casual players look really bad and needed a reality check.