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  1. #21
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    EaMett's Avatar
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    Ea Sin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Peeps are not always right.
    5.0 DRK was criticised and war changes praised, people were lamenting over drk and loved war changes before expansion release. It turned out to be complete the opposite, drk is in best spot right now 1 or 2 most played tank and war is pitful shadow of its former self played way less than any other job.
    The flip side to this is that healers have always been right over these past years I've been around and they still chose to ignore the correct and constructive criticism after the LLs. Hell, they still pretty much refuse to acknowledge any of the current issues (including bugs) almost a year after release.
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    I don't think it matters anyway. Have they ever changed a decision after they announced it but before players got to try it due to player feedback based on the announcement itself?
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  3. #23
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Going to side with Yoshi on this one as well. Not necessarily because I don't want the information to be disclosed. The job adjustments was one of the biggest things I would look forward to seeing in the prelims. It has more to do with the community becoming a fickle and cannibalistic mob. It's a futile and needless expenditure of energy. Those adjustments are as good as fresh cement just needing a few hours to set.

    Perhaps if we were more civil and constructive, he wouldn't feel like he would have to make such decisions.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Going to side with Yoshi on this one as well. Not necessarily because I don't want the information to be disclosed. The job adjustments was one of the biggest things I would look forward to seeing in the prelims. It has more to do with the community becoming a fickle and cannibalistic mob. It's a futile and needless expenditure of energy. Those adjustments are as good as fresh cement just needing a few hours to set.

    Perhaps if we were more civil and constructive, he wouldn't feel like he would have to make such decisions.
    I can agree to that

    I’m hoping the War changes aren’t too bad.
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  5. #25
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    Lost Tales
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    Maybe make good changes and the community won't form mobs ?
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  6. #26
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    Making consistent changes and valuing other peoples criticism is too much slap band aid fixes and see if it works it doesn't well wait 3-12 months for changes or outright a new expansion.
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  7. #27
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Whether they release the info early or wait till patch release it wont really change much in the long run. All this really does it delay the forum meltdowns of class balance woes till patch day instead of the PLL.
    I think the point is that at least SOME of those meltdowns will be alleviated by simply playing the new job changes and realising it's not as bad as it sounds. So there's no real downside to waiting until patch day.
    What are we going to do with that info exactly? How do you prepare for it?
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    The flip side to this is that healers have always been right over these past years I've been around and they still chose to ignore the correct and constructive criticism after the LLs. Hell, they still pretty much refuse to acknowledge any of the current issues (including bugs) almost a year after release.
    > Healers always right
    > Healers still bitching about AST cards
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  9. #29
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    > Healers always right
    > Healers still bitching about AST cards
    How does that make them wrong, exactly?

    AST is currently the least played healer by a huge margin. There's clearly something players dislike about the job.

    It took the devs 2 years to acknowledge what a mess SB MCH was, and now we have a completely different job that is actually quite popular. Let that sink in for a second. Does that mean that all the players that complained for 2 whole years were wrong?
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I think the point is that at least SOME of those meltdowns will be alleviated by simply playing the new job changes and realising it's not as bad as it sounds. So there's no real downside to waiting until patch day.
    What are we going to do with that info exactly? How do you prepare for it?
    I'm certain they're doing this because they don't want people obsessing about class balance adjustments after looking at the pending changes weeks in advance of the patch. However, since they're going to release them with the patch day notes, the people who would meltdown over the posted adjustments at the PLL will simply read them on the patch day notes and meltdown at that point. Honestly its just delaying the reaction. Anyone who cares enough about class balance to want to read about the adjustments happening is going to read them before the patch hits live and form their opinion/analysis then, now they just have less time to cope/adjust. I don't necessarily think that is a good or bad thing though.
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    Last edited by SDaemon; 02-11-2020 at 08:42 PM.

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