Why the JP community mentality is superior to the EN community mentality

[LalaRu]

...I was really surprised that JP clear rates are so much higher than NA and EU clear rates...

I'm not, instead.

When someone is not "on par" with you, and you choose between a)leave him alone or b)help him a bit, if you choose b) then you helped to raise the average "quality" bar, while on a) you did nothing and no one improved. Simple as that.

[ForteNightshade]

JP has better practice parties, almost everyone stays for full lockout. Compare this to NA/EU where people join practice parties for few pulls.
It is also for this reason why JP has better clear rates for harder content compared to NA/EU.

They refuse to carry bad players in clear/farm parties.
They will simply black list the bad player in the party, disband, and set PF again.

JP community is not perfect. If a player shows really bad preference, they will most likely be known for that to the majority of people who do content via PF.
That player will get black listed by most people and have a harder time clearing content.

This is decidedly untrue. One of the reasons clear rates are so much higher between JP and NA is the former will carry players who have little to no business being in Savage given their skill level. Only when a player is exceptionally bad will they abandon the party.

As for the topic at large. People often forget that NA and EU players simply don't have nearly the same interest in Savage. Whereas many JP players see new content as something they should clear because the developers made it, NA/EU cares only if it interests them. Consider how the roleplay community became so large, it split into two servers—both of which are the largest in the entire game. Meanwhile, JP lacks even a single dedicated server for roleplay. Eureka is another example. In fact, the whole leveling aspect as designed because JP players enjoy continuous level grinds. That's often a complaint in NA/EU because "it's boring."

Chalking it up to simple individualism vs. collectivism or "Americans are too selfish!" is quite disingenuous. We just have vastly different interests and ways of approaching content. Both regions have their flaws and advantages.

[swiss_Momo]

As for the topic at large. People often forget that NA and EU players simply don't have nearly the same interest in Savage. Whereas many JP players see new content as something they should clear because the developers made it, NA/EU cares only if it interests them. Consider how the roleplay community became so large, it split into two servers—both of which are the largest in the entire game. Meanwhile, JP lacks even a single dedicated server for roleplay. Eureka is another example. In fact, the whole leveling aspect as designed because JP players enjoy continuous level grinds. That's often a complaint in NA/EU because "it's boring."

This. JP players in general feel much more compelled to do any sort of content simply because it is content. Also for NA&EU WoW is still "the big raiding MMO" (as much as it has worked on killing itself over the last few expansions).

[Alleo]

Didnt Yoshida himself once stated its just a different mentality? Like how JP players often want to try out everything while the western world does not do that thus those that are not interested in savage simply wont do it, while in JP some might still try it just because its content.

I also once heard from someone working with a jP company that it can be quite annoying because of their mentality of keeping once face. Instead of telling their opinion about a product or project they try talking around it which makes it harder.

In the end you have bad apples everywhere so I dont agree with the OP. Just because some clear rates in some contents are better does not make them better people. And others have already pointed out that they have offical black lists outside the game and Yoshida too once said in an interview that he is not telling much about his private life and family because he fears for their safety. (Yes from other JP players) And the person that said those death threats after the recent ultimate clear was posting this from seemingly an jp account too.

[NessaWyvern]

Every community is toxic in their own ways, because humans are complex, flawed creatures, it is what it is. :P

[Dalmacus]

Did you explicitly state that you're an English player?

They're obviously not going to think anything of it if they don't actually know better, but I've seen some people saying it's generally better to not speak English outside of private chat for that reason. There's not necessarily a LOT of people who feel that way, but they definitely exist.

I always have the E underlined so everyone knows it. JP culture works on logic, do you speak english to communicate in a majority JP server? Obviously you don't so nobody speaks english on chat. Of course, there are bad eggs but if you ask me to compare the amount of bad players between JP and EN players that i have encountered i would say there are slightly more misbehaving EN players than there are JP players in my close to 7 years experience of play.

[Daniolaut]

i wonder if people recognize, that this person shared facts, and wishes to see the numbers improve, and wants the community to work together.....

and then you bash him for doing so.

I doubt that is going to sink in, but, it really should.

[Omymy]

JP culture works on logic

Hahaha... Nice joke.

[MOZZYSTAR]

Didnt Yoshida himself once stated its just a different mentality? Like how JP players often want to try out everything while the western world does not do that thus those that are not interested in savage simply wont do it, while in JP some might still try it just because its content.

I think it still depends on the individual? I don't do Savage, but I have tried it because content is content, I like having things to do, and I like playing with groups, et cetera. The time I tried Savage, it was absolutely awful but I think it was because of the players. The harder the content is, the more likely people are prone to throwing tantrums I think, so I don't really trust doing Savage with strangers or FC members I barely know. If I had a tightknit group of friends I trust to do Savage with, I would do it. But I don't so. /Shrugs/ I wouldn't be surprised if there were others in the NA servers who felt similar. We kind of have a slight issue of some people throwing tantrums after just one wipe on regular content let alone Savage.

[Yeol]

This is decidedly untrue. One of the reasons clear rates are so much higher between JP and NA is the former will carry players who have little to no business being in Savage given their skill level. Only when a player is exceptionally bad will they abandon the party.

Actually, it is true.

The JP player base average performance is better than NA/EU.
Clearing weeklies/farming is a lot more consistent on JP. Ask anyone who has an alt on JP and they'll confirm this.

Nothing to do with carrying players, majority of them perform at an acceptable level. Sadly this is not the case in NA/EU.
JP PF experience > NA/EU PF experience.

Like I stated in my original post, JP is not perfect, and neither are we.
You have made it clear why JP are better at end-game content, because they are interested in it and therefore actually try their best to beat it. Not because they are carrying each other.