Marksman jobs and keyboard faceroll playstyle

[Beelhi]

If you're that upset about doing less damage than a ranged in similar gear I'd suggest you spend a few hours on a Training Dummy instead of denying facts, because the problem seems to be you.

[Neela]

These days I’m leveling Ninja since I’m interested in how it plays. Enough to consider taking it into raids, when I exclusively played Bard in a raid setting for the past three years and achieved 97+ percentile across the board for the current raid tier and UwU pre-expansion. If my first week performance as a new Ninja somehow ends up contributing more rDPS than literally one of the top ~150 Bard performers in the world... That’s going to be a really bad feeling.

I guess it will end up with way more rDPS... if it even can beat Sam in some tiers like e1s or ultimates... : /

[Pyitoechito]

I don't wanna be "that guy," but when the OP complains that nobody is taking their side while their topic title is literally insulting the ranged DPS role...

[Satarn]

I don't wanna be "that guy," but when the OP complains that nobody is taking their side while their topic title is literally insulting the ranged DPS role...

It's not so much the supposed "insult" as that the op is just factually wrong. One can argue about difficulty of jobs/roles, but the rdps numbers and how phys ranged are generally expected to do mechanics due to their mobility are objective facts, not opinions.
They might as well complain about getting no points on a math test for writing that 2+2=3.

[CKNovel]

I don't wanna be "that guy," but when the OP complains that nobody is taking their side while their topic title is literally insulting the ranged DPS role...

That's the anti vaxxer logic.
If there's no one with me, everyone is against me.
If someone is with me, then I'm right.

Next patch will introduce a buff for RDM which is basically the worst job right now. It's a caster doing barely more damage than the ranged, and the two other casters are at the top.
If ranged gets no buff, there will be a 500 rDPS between MCH and the Ninja. All ranged will be screwed.
If MCH gets no AoE buff, the job is screwed.

I'd gladly have the cast back if I can have the utility (Dismantle, Palisade, Refresh...) and the damages MCH used to have.
It's goddamn depressing to see the ranged role as a mule to bear mechanics and bring the 1% stats. Even if DPS is not a big deal in Ultimate content, it can skip a Tank Buster.

It's also really depressing that because the role have no positionnal or cast, it is gutted just to please the casuals.

[KalinOrthos]

It's also really depressing that because the role have no positionnal or cast, it is gutted just to please the casuals.

Uhhhh. I wouldn't call high level MCH/DNC/BRD play pleasing to casuals. MCH opener is too complex with weaves and changing GCDs to be really casual friendly, same with DNC if you get lucky. Bard has maybe the simplest opener of the bunch, but you're constantly tracking Repertoire and SSR procs to determine if you need to weave. Honestly, all of them feel surprisingly fleshed out, it's just that their damage numbers are unfairly taxed when every other class has the mobility to make the "mobility tax" moot.

[Ayanumi]

To someone literally fresh and new to the game, literally every jobs opener is going to seem complex. But currently all physical ranged have very braindead openers.

[Connor]

Most MMO jobs are like Bard, spam one skill and react to various procs and gauge spenders. A lot of jobs in Classic WoW are pretty basic and have a similar premise to Bard too. If you want convoluted or complicated game play, you would probably play a fighting game like Tekken or Guilty Gear Xrd.

I mean, that’s a fair point. It’s not like ‘complexity’ is going to make something fun purely because it’s ‘complex’. A job can be ‘simple’ but still fun.

And I mean, ‘complexity’ is pretty subjective anyway. I played Bard constantly since 1.0, so it feels more ‘simplistic’ than other jobs to me because I’m used to how it works. But Machinist seems like complete big brain to me and way more complex than Bard, but then I don’t normally play Machinist. There’s probably people who feel the exact opposite, that Bard is the more complex one with juggling DoT and proc management with a little bit of party support, whilst often being the go-to job to deal with mechanics (not that this doesn’t also apply to Machinists).

I have to wonder about the OP’s original point when thinking abut this though. I understand that Machinist might feel ‘too easy for what it does’ to them, but at the same time, I feel like you can’t really say ‘this job is too strong’ without trying to understand what other people’s perceptions of the job are. Not that there aren’t cases where something is blatantly overpowered, but I do think that it’s difficult to say that a job is flat-out ‘easier’ or ‘harder’ than another without having to add, ‘but only from my experiences of it’.

[Akiudo]

To someone literally fresh and new to the game, literally every jobs opener is going to seem complex. But currently all physical ranged have very braindead openers.

as someone neither new to mmos in general or this game in particular aswell as someone who has played a new class like every 1,5 raid tiers to fill in whatever crap his than current static was missing let me say pretty much every class has very braindead openers, its literally hitting a dummy for half an hour 2-3 days in a row and that shit is so deep in your muscle memory, i could still do the heavensward openers of the classes i played back than if the classes were the same regarding skills.

[SaitoHikari]

Uhhhh. I wouldn't call high level MCH/DNC/BRD play pleasing to casuals. MCH opener is too complex with weaves and changing GCDs to be really casual friendly, same with DNC if you get lucky. Bard has maybe the simplest opener of the bunch, but you're constantly tracking Repertoire and SSR procs to determine if you need to weave. Honestly, all of them feel surprisingly fleshed out, it's just that their damage numbers are unfairly taxed when every other class has the mobility to make the "mobility tax" moot.

I don't think CK completely meant gutted as in gutted in complexity, they meant gutted in terms of potential contribution. Though it's undeniable that they DID get gutted in complexity compared to their SB variants, and that did lead to a gutting of contribution too, especially in Bard's case.

That said, I think MCH is a good deal more complex than the vast majority of other DPS still. Or at the very least, it's very unforgiving to mistakes, due to how Wildfire works.

(Also OP doesn't have a single ranged class capped, so.)