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  1. #25141
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    Harmonea's Avatar
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    Seraph Altima
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    Mateus
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Saiix View Post
    Honestly, you're right. I should probably try and look up tips for being a better black mage. I'd like to be helpful in dungeons and not fall behind too much.
    I'll look into getting a USB keyboard as well! I hadn't really thought of being too social at the start but I should change that.
    Here are some basic tips for you

    At your level for single targets (like bosses), your ice phases will be Blizz 3, enochian (if not up), Blizz 4 to get umbral hearts, and your highest single target thunder. Your fire phases will be Fire 3, Fire 4 x3, Fire 1 to keep your astral fire buff (fire 4 does not refresh it), and another Fire 4 x3. You'll also want to fit any instant procs in there (thunder, instant fire 3) as long as you aren't in danger of your fire/ice buff dropping. There's more stuff to add to this in your 70s, but that's where more detailed guides can help. Essentially, your goals are to keep Enochian up and cast as much Fire 4 as possible.

    Whenever you have 3 or more targets, you want to do an AoE rotation instead. Ice phases with be Freeze followed by an AoE thunder, then you can go into fire phase with fire 3 followed by fire 2 spam. At 68 you get a special trait that simplifies this even more; your fire phase is just Fire 3, Flare x2, the end. Again, keep using those thunder procs.

    These basics should get you in reasonably average shape at your level. It sounds like a lot, but it's only like~ 9 spells for your core gameplay til 70+ starts adding things like Foul and Despair.
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  2. #25142
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    CazzT's Avatar
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    Kyssa Shay
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiix View Post
    It's always stressful doing DF with random folks.
    I'm still learning how to play FFXIV seeing as I'm a new player (been playing maybe 2 weeks?) and don't really know all the terms and "optimal rotations" for my class.

    So I was running Bardam's Mettle for maybe the second time, trying to level myself for more story. I was doing pretty well and taking zero damage, manaward-ing and dodging AOEs to not stress our healer. My party was doing great.
    The healer sends a message DURING a boss rudely asking me "Umm. Quick question, why are you spamming Fire III?" when I wasn't doing that and I feel a little embarrassed. I can't really answer on console so I had to ignore it. Right after the first boss, my whole team goes down in a relatively small pull that I had no trouble with before. Which I didn't even notice happening because the tank and healer went down first.

    It felt weird to be judged by the healer when I was doing my job just fine before his comments. I kind of wish people would let other players do their jobs and stop being randomly rude during dungeons where no issues were being had before. I want to have fun playing an MMO not feel constantly judged by other players when I am trying and not falling behind.
    What was rude about that question?
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  3. #25143
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    I just had another fun time in the daily life of FFXIV.

    I queued as a tank for nearly 2 hours for alliance roulette, got Orbonne and one of the other tanks immediately left but was replaced during the first boss fight. The healers in my party were struggling and died a lot, so sometimes it feels like I'm the only one in my group left alive and the alliance wiped 2 or 3 times. That said, other than someone else from another group leaving and being replaced, we pressed onward and got the clear with relative ease (in my opinion, as a tank), though I'm grateful for the healers who had to keep me alive when I was main tank for a few times, and basically the whole of last boss.

    I got 3 commendations, my adventurer in need reward, and a fun time in Orbonne. It would only make it better if I finally get that Ramza minion. Maybe one day...

    Anyways, it's lunchtime now (perfect timing), just had to share.
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  4. #25144
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    Ursa_Vonfiebryd's Avatar
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    Ursa Nightrain
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    Mateus
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CazzT View Post
    What was rude about that question?
    The fact that it was said during a boss fight (where you can't exactly respond without dropping what you're doing), and the OP wasn't even doing what they were accused of?

    Also, unless the party was doing very poor damage to the extent that the healer resources were getting strained (which considering how squishy SB dungeons are now is unlikely but admittedly not entirely outside the realm of possibility) then why even comment? Especially if you don't intend to follow through with actual advice, which I assume they didn't.

    It was a snide observation and not even a correct one, as the OP stated they were not in fact, spamming F3.

    Kudos to the OP for learning the most fundamental lesson of BLM which is where to stand (and where not to). The rest is entirely teachable.

    Unlike 21 people dying to a single Penetration/Entanglement during Calofisteri. 21 people did not look away for the enormous shiny red eye and died to a well placed aoe trap. But god forbid it look like you're using too much Fire 3.

    Unless that healer was struggling, they were out of line. Only the OP knows for sure but thats my two dollars and change. :\
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  5. #25145
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by linay View Post
    I just had another fun time in the daily life of FFXIV.

    I queued as a tank for nearly 2 hours for alliance roulette, got Orbonne and one of the other tanks immediately left but was replaced during the first boss fight. The healers in my party were struggling and died a lot, so sometimes it feels like I'm the only one in my group left alive and the alliance wiped 2 or 3 times. That said, other than someone else from another group leaving and being replaced, we pressed onward and got the clear with relative ease (in my opinion, as a tank), though I'm grateful for the healers who had to keep me alive when I was main tank for a few times, and basically the whole of last boss.

    I got 3 commendations, my adventurer in need reward, and a fun time in Orbonne. It would only make it better if I finally get that Ramza minion. Maybe one day...

    Anyways, it's lunchtime now (perfect timing), just had to share.
    I get more commendations as a ninja in PoTD than I do white mage or tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd View Post
    The fact that it was said during a boss fight (where you can't exactly respond without dropping what you're doing), and the OP wasn't even doing what they were accused of?
    This is exaggerated. The OP said they were doing

    Quote Originally Posted by Saiix View Post
    So I was running Bardam's Mettle for maybe the second time
    So a boss that does nothing, and has long enough periods of nothing for someone to type out a comment in chat. Granted, they could have been on first boss, But even then, at lesat for me I can type out a sentence between healing casts. Also, sometimes as a healer you have no time to chat a full sentence other than at the boss if you have a tank that is pulling quickly or sprinting to packs. Ironically, especially on bardam's mettle bosses (except for probably the last one) there is a lot of space to chat during.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    Oh right. I forgot that no one's allowed to comment on anything unless it leads to a wipe. Tank not using cooldowns? Well I kept him up the whole time so i cant say anything. DPS single targeting on large trash packs? Well the rest of the party did enough damage that we didn't die, so it's fine. PLD had to spam clemency to keep himself up, cause the healer isn't up to par? Well, we didn't die right?
    You notice this the most as a tank or healer. When packs are dying very slowly, tank has to use more CD's. potentially has less or none left for another pull, etc.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 11-26-2019 at 06:37 AM.
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  6. #25146
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd View Post
    The fact that it was said during a boss fight (where you can't exactly respond without dropping what you're doing), and the OP wasn't even doing what they were accused of?

    Also, unless the party was doing very poor damage to the extent that the healer resources were getting strained (which considering how squishy SB dungeons are now is unlikely but admittedly not entirely outside the realm of possibility) then why even comment? Especially if you don't intend to follow through with actual advice, which I assume they didn't.

    It was a snide observation and not even a correct one, as the OP stated they were not in fact, spamming F3.

    Kudos to the OP for learning the most fundamental lesson of BLM which is where to stand (and where not to). The rest is entirely teachable.

    Unlike 21 people dying to a single Penetration/Entanglement during Calofisteri. 21 people did not look away for the enormous shiny red eye and died to a well placed aoe trap. But god forbid it look like you're using too much Fire 3.

    Unless that healer was struggling, they were out of line. Only the OP knows for sure but thats my two dollars and change. :\
    Oh right. I forgot that no one's allowed to comment on anything unless it leads to a wipe. Tank not using cooldowns? Well I kept him up the whole time so i cant say anything. DPS single targeting on large trash packs? Well the rest of the party did enough damage that we didn't die, so it's fine. PLD had to spam clemency to keep himself up, cause the healer isn't up to par? Well, we didn't die right?
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  7. #25147
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    WrenElessedil's Avatar
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    Wren Elessedil
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    Leviathan
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd View Post
    The fact that it was said during a boss fight (where you can't exactly respond without dropping what you're doing), and the OP wasn't even doing what they were accused of?

    Also, unless the party was doing very poor damage to the extent that the healer resources were getting strained (which considering how squishy SB dungeons are now is unlikely but admittedly not entirely outside the realm of possibility) then why even comment? Especially if you don't intend to follow through with actual advice, which I assume they didn't.

    It was a snide observation and not even a correct one, as the OP stated they were not in fact, spamming F3.
    To add to that, no one starts off a question that way if they're not trying to be snarky. If they had just asked their question without the condescending first part, it would be no problem.
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  8. #25148
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    Kleeya's Avatar
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    Kleeya White
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    Shiva
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I am seriously tempted to ditch RDM for a selfish dps job, or to stop doing the only instanced content i am still doing once per week, copied factory. People are dying left and right, you launch tons of verraise including on the other teams, save the run several times, have even to ressort to mana potions because lucid dreaming is not enough, and the only time you are dying near the end of the last boss people keep dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, instead of launching one rez at you because their fflogs must be more important, and because you sure didn't help them enough. No coms either, as usual when you were more of a rezslave than a redmage. Such a thankless job.

    At least i did finally got this 2B coffer.
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  9. #25149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    I am seriously tempted to ditch RDM for a selfish dps job, or to stop doing the only instanced content i am still doing once per week, copied factory. People are dying left and right, you launch tons of verraise including on the other teams, save the run several times, have even to ressort to mana potions because lucid dreaming is not enough, and the only time you are dying near the end of the last boss people keep dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, instead of launching one rez at you because their fflogs must be more important, and because you sure didn't help them enough. No coms either, as usual when you were more of a rezslave than a redmage. Such a thankless job.

    At least i did finally got this 2B coffer.
    Haha, yeah, I mained SAM for a while and then DNC, but RDM ends up being my preferred choice for daily runs (as DPS) regardless because it can mean the difference between a clear and a wipe and, ultimately, the point is to clear the duty.
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    Last edited by linay; 11-26-2019 at 09:30 AM.

  10. #25150
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    Metalwrath's Avatar
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    Rhulk Roegan
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    I am seriously tempted to ditch RDM for a selfish dps job, or to stop doing the only instanced content i am still doing once per week, copied factory. People are dying left and right, you launch tons of verraise including on the other teams, save the run several times, have even to ressort to mana potions because lucid dreaming is not enough, and the only time you are dying near the end of the last boss people keep dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, dpsing, instead of launching one rez at you because their fflogs must be more important, and because you sure didn't help them enough. No coms either, as usual when you were more of a rezslave than a redmage. Such a thankless job.

    At least i did finally got this 2B coffer.
    Funnily enough i did a run the other night as team of 24 tanks and it was the smoothest run yet.And the dps was only marginally lower than your average run in df.
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