Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Hash_Browns]

*eye roll* No point in arguing with you people. You clearly don't understand the rules of the kick system. GM doesn't need to be given a snip of the convo when they can look it up themselves. Oh well, should have known the carebear club would come out to argue against this, wasn't wrong.

Truth be told, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the room you're talking about is this one:



You can access it before or after the first boss, and their is a very good reason someone, or a group might want to go in there. Fine Wax is an item only dropped in Haukke Manor, and ONLY in a chest in that room. It's (i'm pretty sure) 50/50 that either someone will get 3 pots of Fine Wax from the chest in that room, or will get 1 potion. Each wax is +20k each on my server because they are used specifically to make the manor housing items, which can range from 50k all the way up to 200k each.

But really, none of that matters because tanks aren't the party leaders, and don't control the entire group. It's a group choice to clear the room, and you went for the "I'm the leader" approach, and tried to hold 3 other people hostage. You got kicked because you weren't playing to be part of the group. Grow up. Tanks are a dime a dozen. You aren't special.

[Callinon]

Truth be told, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the room you're talking about is this one:



You can access it before or after the first boss, and their is a very good reason someone, or a group might want to go in there. Fine Wax is an item only dropped in Haukke Manor, and ONLY in a chest in that room. It's (i'm pretty sure) 50/50 that either someone will get 3 pots of Fine Wax from the chest in that room, or will get 1 potion. Each wax is +20k each on my server because they are used specifically to make the manor housing items, which can range from 50k all the way up to 200k each.

But really, none of that matters because tanks aren't the party leaders, and don't control the entire group. It's a group choice to clear the room, and you went for the "I'm the leader" approach, and tried to hold 3 other people hostage. You got kicked because you weren't playing to be part of the group. Grow up. Tanks are a dime a dozen. You aren't special.

"Would you mind doing the extra rooms for shots at fine wax?"

That's all it takes.

[Hash_Browns]

"Would you mind doing the extra rooms for shots at fine wax?"

That's all it takes.

6 enemies.
That is what this person has complained here about.

6 whole enemies.

It isn't the tanks job to dictate if the group gets to enter side rooms or not. If everyone is entering them, then he was the outlier here. When you go into a dungeon, you accommodate the majority. If 3/4 want to clear every room. You clear every room. If 3/4 people want to pull small, you pull small. If 3/4 people want to pull wall-to-wall, you pull wall to wall.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

This is so backwards tho. Let them finish the run ... all leave ... run in ... tag chest ... get loot ... die ... leave.

Everything is yours if you are alone and chests dont depop. If a chest is "forgotten" and i think it could be good ill pick it up for myself after.

[Hash_Browns]

This is so backwards tho. Let them finish the run ... all leave ... run in ... tag chest ... get loot ... die ... leave.

Everything is yours if you are alone and chests dont depop. If a chest is "forgotten" and i think it could be good ill pick it up for myself after.

Why run back when you can just tag it along the way?
Honestly, if it's as he says and it was 3 people together then if it dropped they were most likely gonna get the wax. The wax might have also been a weird after thought as well, since if you really wanted it, you could just queue unsynced, grab it, leave, and come back.

Either way, grabbing it did no harm to anyone, until snarky comments were made, followed by threats.

[RyuSaarva]

"Would you mind doing the extra rooms for shots at fine wax?"

That's all it takes.

I have done that sometimes but it's actually better to do it alone after people have left so you get it if it drops, or you can just cheat and use undersized option.

[KalinOrthos]

This is so backwards tho. Let them finish the run ... all leave ... run in ... tag chest ... get loot ... die ... leave.

Everything is yours if you are alone and chests dont depop. If a chest is "forgotten" and i think it could be good ill pick it up for myself after.

You misunderstand the problem. The issue isn't the chest; we're making theories as to where and why the group deviated from The Path. Regardless of whether or not they went to that room to get that specific chest, three of the four party members split from the tank, who decided that his ego was more important than the group, demanded that they follow his lead, then threatened them when they didn't "fall in line".

[SDaemon]

To be fair, the rest of the group should have communicated their intentions before entering battle without the tank. A simple: "I need exp, can we clear everything?" at the beginning would have avoided all these problems.

Yes, they could have let the tank know they would be doing the side rooms, that would have been courteous. However, in the given situation the tank clearly wasn't paying attention to the group and just continued on forward while the rest of the group stopped at the optional room and went in. When he noticed he moved on by himself he then tried to coerce the other 3 party members to continue on with him "because he dictates the dungeon as tank".

[Callinon]

6 enemies.
That is what this person has complained here about.

6 whole enemies.

It isn't the tanks job to dictate if the group gets to enter side rooms or not. If everyone is entering them, then he was the outlier here. When you go into a dungeon, you accommodate the majority. If 3/4 want to clear every room. You clear every room. If 3/4 people want to pull small, you pull small. If 3/4 people want to pull wall-to-wall, you pull wall to wall.

I think the complaint was more that the party wanted to do a non-standard run of the dungeon (which does not include unnecessary side rooms), didn't communicate that choosing instead to leave the tank off by himself and then got pissy when he pointed that out.

Now.. could he have handled it better? Yes. But he didn't CAUSE the problem in the first place.

[KalinOrthos]

I think the complaint was more that the party wanted to do a non-standard run of the dungeon (which does not include unnecessary side rooms), didn't communicate that choosing instead to leave the tank off by himself and then got pissy when he pointed that out.

Now.. could he have handled it better? Yes. But he didn't CAUSE the problem in the first place.

There wasn't a problem in the first place until he made one. There's no absolute requirement that you have to follow the quickest path from boss to boss, and in a place like Haukke that has goodies and lots of experience for lower levels, people may want to clear more than the absolute minimum. The problem began when this tank couldn't keep his ego in check and threatened the other players because they didn't fall in line behind him like good greens and reds. The tank may dictate the pacing but they are ultimately part of the group, and if the group wants to do more then that's the way of it. Blackmailing the party because they tell you to stick with the group puts you squarely, 100% in the wrong.