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  1. #24861
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    KalinOrthos's Avatar
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    Kalin Orthos
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    Mateus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    No i meant party health being at 20% til next raidwide.
    Hope no one makes a mistake and takes extra damage.
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  2. #24862
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    Hope no one makes a mistake and takes extra damage.
    Yup, hopefully they won't . If they don't hots will take them up to a decent level and then they can be topped up for the next raidwide. That way I wouldn't have to do something silly like spam aoe heals when hots are rolling.
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  3. #24863
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    Again, i'm not saying the WHM was even decent. I'm just pointing out some issues that were not exclusively their fault. Being new shouldn't mean the AST was exempt from anything. I'm sure the WHM didn't sign up to solo heal when theres another healer. Copied Factory isn't that difficult to the point where they would be dying constantly. It just requires situational awareness.


    A medica 2 after a raidwide should be more than sufficient to keep everyone fine for a while unless theres another one coming up. And again, there's another healer to finish up the top offs if needed. If swiftcast is coming off cooldown, it may be better to do some damage and wait for it instead of just hard raising everyone you see. Or as there was apparently a RDM in the party let them spend 1 GCD resing instead of them losing 4. Also, if the AST was dying a lot, they may have thought they weren't worth the raise.

    No excuse for the LB thing but, like I said, I never said they were good.
    It's a bigger DPS loss for a Red Mage to cast Verraise than for any of the healers. Refusing to hard raise just makes you a bad healer unless Swift is close to coming off CD or that one person just keeps dying.
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  4. #24864
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    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    To the healers getting me in Grand Cosmos: I'm sorry. I'm being super selfish and placing more of a burden on you. I'm going to try to be more considerate. Haha. xP
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  5. #24865
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    tinythinker's Avatar
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    Omi Senu
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aosha View Post
    Leveling roulette into Sastasha, got a... DRK in mage robes
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  6. #24866
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    It's a bigger DPS loss for a Red Mage to cast Verraise than for any of the healers. Refusing to hard raise just makes you a bad healer unless Swift is close to coming off CD or that one person just keeps dying.
    Weird how i said "if swift is coming off cooldown" and "if the AST was dying a lot, they may not have been worth the raise."

    Also outside of very specific circumstances one RDM GCDs isn't worth losing 4 healer dps GCDs.
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  7. #24867
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    Deathgiver's Avatar
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    Krystalan Deathgiver
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    It's a bigger DPS loss for a Red Mage to cast Verraise than for any of the healers. Refusing to hard raise just makes you a bad healer unless Swift is close to coming off CD or that one person just keeps dying.
    That's not very good math. if a healer is rezzing with out swift it costs both them and the dead person 3 gcds. Unless the rdm is in their melee combo or the healer has swift cast available within the next couple of gcds the rdm verraising is always the lower dps loss.
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  8. #24868
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I'll raise someone if I have to, but it costs me a gcd swiftcast. If that person(s) keeps dying I won't raise them anymore, complete waste of MP as well. Same goes for playing white mage too.
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  9. #24869
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    BloodRubyXII's Avatar
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    Owa Owa
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    Odin
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    It's a bigger DPS loss for a Red Mage to cast Verraise than for any of the healers. Refusing to hard raise just makes you a bad healer unless Swift is close to coming off CD or that one person just keeps dying.
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  10. #24870
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    I was in a Copied Factory where the BRD in my party had all their equipment broken by the third boss due to repeated deaths. It came to a point where they would raise with 11K HP. Eventually me (playing AST) and my SCH partner opted to just leave them face planted on the ground because it wasn't worth the MP to bring them back when they invariably died to every avoidable mechanic possible.

    Sorry BRD :/ Wish there was more we could do for ya as it's your first time running the instance but it's hard for me to keep my party healthy already when most of them are eating vuln stacks for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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