Not enjoying the 5.1 Ninja changes

[Rivinhal]

but since there's so many players jumping on the Bandwagon Censoring the opinion of people who original wanted problem fixed is now officially silenced that's why there's huge uproar in its Ninja community.

How exactly is anyone "censoring" opinions or "silencing" people?
People are able to give feedback...

Anyone know how the Japanese player base feels about the changes? Im curious to see what they think about them since it seems the NA player base is pretty split on the overall changes.

It's hard to generalize, but (from my perspective) it seems like they're more okay with the changes. There aren't tons of posts yet, but there is a split, though it seems less noticeable I think. The issue is that I don't know if there are cultural differences at play, so they're less apt to complain outright or something? Not sure.
So tbh it's really hard for me to say either way. At first glance they look more open to the changes, but they have a lot of feedback. That's all I can say for certain.
My Japanese is awful (so I'd love someone to double check these for me if able), but here are a few quotes from the link below. I've left out all the suggestions (almost every post had at least one suggestion for a change lol), but it sums the attitude I think:

• "It feels like a new ninja and feels good. [...] I'm not very dissatisfied"
  
• "I'm getting used to it."
  
• "Congratulations on the rebirth of the Ninja"
  
• "The feeling of previous speed is gone. It’s devastating. [but] I thought it was a boring job anyways."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%A1%88/page129

[Mahoukenshi]

Anyone know how the Japanese player base feels about the changes? Im curious to see what they think about them since it seems the NA player base is pretty split on the overall changes.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%A1%88/page129

There aren't much posts about it yet, but it's a mix about "good", "needs to be getting used to" and "bad" just like here. Most seem to like the Ten Chi Jin change, and a few (also) feel that the sudden change of pace with Ninjutsu being GCD doesn't feel too good (but may need more time to adjust to the revamp). They don't like the change to the DoT attack. Dunno if they use the official forums to "rant", or to external message boards for it.

[snipski]

Worst thing is that you cant weave while doing mudras it ends up feeling like you have to wait for the GCD to finish, and it just doesnt seem smooth anymore kinda killing the good feel of the job itself. then you have the whole shadowfang on CD thing. Dots on CD sucks hard it ends up working on Gunbreaker because it aligns well with their burst window but for ninja it doesnt feel that way for me at least.

[AncientCrystal]

New NIN is awesome. Don't see what the issue is, it's waaaaay smoother now.

[Garruss]

I've noticed a few things about Ninja I'm not too keen on right now

Bunshin in my mind has been ruined now, 5 charges then done instead of 10seconds to do the combos instead
ShadowFang on its own long cooldown
To be it feels like the class has become slower than it was before, Ninja was supposed to be the faster class now it's gotten more clunky
Kassatsu only having one charge now

It's not that much of a change overall just I feel these small issues should be addressed

[Satarn]

But to say "go play something else" because your ping isn't good enough is not right

Especially in a game that lets you freely play classes

The point is that if the ping adjustments come to the point when the job feels different, then you basically "play something else" anyways and so do people who previously enjoyed the job. The original job that you wanted to play is gone, unless your draw towards it was purely cosmetic.

I don't really understand how ability to level everything on one character, makes it less viable option to change, rather than more though? If you can just switch on a whim, then it's much easier to do so when you realize that a job isn't for you.
What I find to be a bigger issue, is when a job you were already enjoying gets revamped into something you no longer like and there is no similar alternative for you to switch to, leaving you effectively "job-less".
Right now SE seems to be killing off every fast, high-apm job with more busy rotation, be it due to ping complaints or people saying they're too complex and "clunky" to play, despite there being plenty other jobs to pick which could serve them better. Those reworks might draw a lot of new players to them, but they leave the older players with nothing.

As for aesthetics, while I understand the gripe of liking the lore etc of a job, I don't think it should be taken as a factor. By this logic, I can say that I like the aesthetics of BLM, but absolutely dislike the gameplay - would it be fair of me to ask for a complete rework of a job that most of its players are very satisfied with, just so that I can also enjoy being a BLM? I don't think so.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

I've played NIN since HW and it feels better now than it ever has to me. Instead of pushing 70 buttons at the front and then only pressing 3 until everything comes back up for another trick attack window the Mudra charges mean I'm constantly casting them, the buffs to mudra skills means that the dps is consistent and coming from mudra expenditures, and TCJ changes and other changes means I'm rarely clipping or missing Mudra executions where trying to do them oGCD before was a pain to do.

It feels more consistently fast to me rather than slowed down. You may feel like you're not pressing as many buttons in terms of "weaving" but for me I'm constantly keeping my mudras from being at 2 charges and the damage buffs have been substantial to the point where I'm pretty sure they'll need a nerf to some potencies down the line.

I disagree that the class "feels" different at all, as my opener is still very similar, ninki expenditure is cleaner and more frequent, and I'm juggling Mudras and Ninki skills between all my moves constantly and it feels great to play. Instead of trying to squeeze everything between GCDs now, I can just do my normal rotations quick without worrying about being punished for server pings. I dunno I'm sorry you hate it, but as a NIN main/Rogue Main that abandoned it after the ShB changes, I'm happy to keep the feel of this job now.

It's going to take some getting used to the timing changes but after a day of practice I feel really confident in my dps and rotations now and am making mobs melt. -shrug-

[Yani-Madara]

"How exactly is anyone "censoring" opinions or "silencing" people?
People are able to give feedback..."

Discussions are civilized on this forum but on Reddit, there are hordes of people that will insult those that don't like the 5.1 changes. It's gotten to a point where most people are afraid to say anything.

Edit: (adding more here to avoid clutter.)

Been playing Machinist and I'm experiencing the ping issues people complained about in Ninja.

I can only cast 4 or 3 Heat blasts, opposed to the 5 you're supposed to get. It's an issue that can be resolved by giving those 5 heat charges stacks, that way the changes are enjoyable whether you have low or high ping. If they don't, it still doesn't make the class "unplayable."

Hope the developers at the very least look for a middle ground for Nin, like restoring ogcd mudras but keep the shorter timer on spinning edge so those that love and hate weaving can enjoy the game. I also believe the mudra stacks themselves help with ping issues or placing the gcd on ninjutsu like other people have suggested.

[Raginroxas]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%A1%88/page129

There aren't much posts about it yet, but it's a mix about "good", "needs to be getting used to" and "bad" just like here. Most seem to like the Ten Chi Jin change, and a few (also) feel that the sudden change of pace with Ninjutsu being GCD doesn't feel too good (but may need more time to adjust to the revamp). They don't like the change to the DoT attack. Dunno if they use the official forums to "rant", or to external message boards for it.

So its a mixed bag like it is here. Its seems majority of Ninja players dislike the ShadowFang changes.

"How exactly is anyone "censoring" opinions or "silencing" people?
People are able to give feedback..."

Discussions are civilized on this forum but on Reddit, there are hordes of people that will insult those that don't like the 5.1 changes. It's gotten to a point where most people are afraid to say anything.

Ive noticed that too. Simply sharing your opinion on reddit about how you dislike the changes leads to people down-voting you for simply disagreeing with them.

[Seraphor]

The way it all works individually 'feels' better.
TCJ is smooth, Ninjutsu isn't messed up by ping and feels like more significant damage, SF is more accessible, Bhava/Hell Frog are available more often.
But... I seem to have a lot of downtime waiting for the GCD... as a Ninja...