Well, they actually did it, the absolute madmen

[Tsalmaveth]

Why don't you just let players play the way they want to bloody well play? Not a single person is holding a gun to anyone's head FORCING them to pick any of those options. Not. A. Single. Person. Those options are a version of the Echo that is already THERE for other things in the game (surprise!) and they're just adding it in here after the fact now. Oh-freakin-well? It's the solo content and it doesn't matter to anyone else except the person DOING it how THEY want to play it. At all. Not everyone enjoys the same things, obviously, or we wouldn't have all the arguments about 'skipping cutscenes', WOULD we? Some people hate long drawn out fights, other people enjoy the challenge. Some people love sitting through cut scenes for juicy story, other people hate it and want to get to the action NOW. You don't get to dictate what people do or don't, should or shouldn't, enjoy in this or any game.

Why ANYONE on these forums wants to sit here and WHINE about it is beyond me except their elitist tails are in a knot over other people somehow having fun in a way that doesn't match up to their standards. Get your panties out of of a bunch and deal with it. Seriously. This game has never been all about elitist high level darksouls-esque play. EVER. It has always been about open and welcoming play meant for as many people to come in and ENJOY it. If they want to broaden that field, great. Take your attitudes into Savage and Ultimate and keep it there. Leave it at the door when you exit the fights, too.

[MrKusakabe]

[...]

Hold on, little lady. Chill a bit...

Ready? Fine:

I am sure nobody here is "elitist" beyond the point of zero sympathy for players. But you don't seem to understand the underlying problems that come from that. I see it two-layered: The players that leave a fight/Vote abandon after one or two wipes; a general defeatist attitude that is spreading in the games I play like a virus to be harsh. As you figured it out, it's a game. Games, by defintion do not need a winner/loser scenario (e.g. a puzzle or Solitaire), but FF has one: Dying. But this is already connected to zero penalty: As WoL, we can not die like that, we do not lose EXP, we do not lose our equipment. It is literally a tiny bit of a drawback with an instant-retry.

As you say, it's a game, and if disabled people get stressed out by it, giving the advice of "staying away from the source of stress" is what every professional phsychologist would give. Or do you think those doctors are "haters" and "elitists", too?

The second problem is from a long-term perspective. You are going trough an instance that gives you bonusses. You get trough it. The same "solo content" - the MSQ - suddenly requires you a party with other players two quests later. Now what? Those dungeons have no such bonnusses and instant Echo, nor does the team of regular players want it to be happen. You are being thrown into the cold water now, and all these disabled, stressed and mentally unstable people are in serious danger of their health (apparently).

Now the problem turns over and your teammates are now "elitist" dudes that just want and should expect basic competence and any honest discussion is stalled because the "Super easy" fraction has the shield of being mentally ill (if real or not), and creating an unease situation for those normal players, some awkward from over political correctness in an environment like a Duty Finder in this game based around combat that should not happen. I am already walking on eggshells voicing my opinion here by doubting the mental state of the self-claimed disabled people here. Which is terrible and should not be a thing, but exactly this permanent Damocles' Sword of being offended causes people to silently kick people off duties, which in return is something causing "those darn elitist" threads to appear that mention mentall illness and how bad the community is for not catering and carrying everybody. I can shut down any critcisim towards me too by claiming things, (in fact: I have a very small form of authism, but it's about being orderly, e.g. shelves and my appartment^^), but I am not that kind of person.


Imagine you work with with vehicles. You can drive as much Automatic in your private car as you wish. But if your workplace has stick shift, you will be in trouble. And when your workmates call you out for missing your daily pensum because you stall your engine every 3 meters, you have to expect that kind of.


My mother btw. is actually mentally unstable. In the past 20 years she spent 3.5 years hospitalized because the medication need to be set up which takes months. Her hormones are probably so screwed due to the pills. The side effects were hours of crying, sitting there stoically and loss of job. She is now fine, medication has a lower dose now and she does not show any sort of defeatist attitude. When she plays some Tetris clone on her phone she sets it up to the fastest because that challenge actually helps her out.

So please consider all of this multi-layered problems here. The majority of the players are still normal and beat the game on Normal, have done so in the past 6 years. But now we create a 2-class system that will eventually merge into "my" Duty Finder groups, and then I can not say "Its just solo content" anymore. Because then it's Group Content.

Sincerely,

[Doozer]

As you say, it's a game, and if disabled people get stressed out by it, giving the advice of "staying away from the source of stress" is what every professional phsychologist would give.

Can I get a source on that? Like a study or something. Thanks.

Also, you seem to have made a lot of typos: You wouldn't happen to be dyslexic, would you? Apparently that's the only way to prove if someone is, so I thought I'd ask.

[Callinon]

I am sure nobody here is "elitist" beyond the point of zero sympathy for players.

Have you READ any of this thread?

[Soge01]

Have you READ any of this thread?

Its called having an opinion, not being an elitist. Besides, all we're trying to do is help point out the negative consequences adding a sudden easy mode into certain content can have on this video game overall.

FF14 is casual enough as it is, but randomly adding easy mode to content which only has so much of a challenge to it as it is just helps further lower the bar for the average player's level of gameplay.

Tutorials, hints and etc would be a better option than a sudden easy and easier mode just to get past content you personally don't like.

Like I said, none of us are trying to attack anybody, we just want to state our opinions and help the game become better. Because adding random "quick win" scenarios in a game just defeats the purpose of playing a game in the first place.

[Callinon]

Its called having an opinion, not being an elitist. Besides, all we're trying to do is help point out the negative consequences adding a sudden easy mode into certain content can have on this video game overall.

FF14 is casual enough as it is, but randomly adding easy mode to content which only has so much of a challenge to it as it is just helps further lower the bar for the average player's level of gameplay.

Tutorials, hints and etc would be a better option than a sudden easy and easier mode just to get past content you personally don't like.

Like I said, none of us are trying to attack anybody, we just want to state our opinions and help the game become better. Because adding random "quick win" scenarios in a game just defeats the purpose of playing a game in the first place.

So don't use it. It's clearly not for you. But when you and others start in on the slippery slope arguments and trying to tell other people how they're allowed to enjoy the game, yeah... it's elitist. You may not like it, but that's what it is.

[AngelCheese77]

Its called having an opinion, not being an elitist. Besides, all we're trying to do is help point out the negative consequences adding a sudden easy mode into certain content can have on this video game overall.

FF14 is casual enough as it is, but randomly adding easy mode to content which only has so much of a challenge to it as it is just helps further lower the bar for the average player's level of gameplay.

Tutorials, hints and etc would be a better option than a sudden easy and easier mode just to get past content you personally don't like.

Like I said, none of us are trying to attack anybody, we just want to state our opinions and help the game become better. Because adding random "quick win" scenarios in a game just defeats the purpose of playing a game in the first place.

In order for there to be things like tutorials etc, the beginning game needs to be rewritten better. No pop up windows that are closed without being looked at. No Smith that is "optional". Total forced to go through it.

But that means nothing. Players will still ignore it, skip through it, not pay attention and just do it to get through it. Unless there is a quiz afterwards that if you fail your character gets deleted.

As for the "it will bleed into the rest fo the game" eh. Like I stated somewhere else ... MMOs are ever in changing because THEY are more focused on the almighty dollar. It might annoy some of their players, but if they make it so they get 100 new subs, oh well. Adapt and change, or stay in the past I guess.

Besides, players were (and still are) terrible in so many ways, and this patch hasn't even been put out yet.