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    Quote Originally Posted by Siete View Post
    I did, and got a nice reply from the GMs supporting me emotionally.
    That was nice for a change.
    I hope I don't go through this again, and I hope most whoever did this at least gets a warning so they NEVER do that again.
    It's a reflection of the type of people they are, not a reflection of you. Don't let it get you down.

    What happened is definitely the exception. There's always a chance it will happen again since the internet is filled with jerks but it will be rare.

    Better to leave a group with people like that in it than to stay and help them get what they want as they abuse the system.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    A couple of weeks ago I was in a MSQ roulette in Praetorium. Four players from a specific server were AFK all the way up to the Magitek armor and when a couple of us commented on that thinking we should kick them, a 5th player from the same server said "we don't care, we're from the same FC so you should think about that". Obviously the group had queued specifically to mess with people so I abandoned the group once we got out of the armor rather than risk wasting more of my time carrying their AFK bodies just to get votekicked at the end. Hopefully the other two in the party also left the group once I gave them the free pass out.

    Fortunately, that sort of thing tends to be very isolated. Maybe the OP ran into the same group of bads I did (we're on the same data center).
    That seems like an obvious easy report for refusing to participate.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    That seems like an obvious easy report for refusing to participate.
    Possibly but I was at the point I wanted to get out as fast as possible instead of wasting more of my time.

    I'm also used to the years I played WoW, where the official stance was non-participation wasn't against the game rules though players were allowed to vote kick for it if they wanted. Doubt Blizzard has ever changed that stance. Reporting that sort of thing was a waste of time there and so I don't think to do it here.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Possibly but I was at the point I wanted to get out as fast as possible instead of wasting more of my time.

    I'm also used to the years I played WoW, where the official stance was non-participation wasn't against the game rules though players were allowed to vote kick for it if they wanted. Doubt Blizzard has ever changed that stance. Reporting that sort of thing was a waste of time there and so I don't think to do it here.
    For Blizzard it is more than okay to abuse the votekick system.
    People could make a group of 4, making you the 5th stranger, and they could force you to do or say any sort of irrational stuff otherwise they'd kick you and it would be 100% valid in Blizzard eyes.
    There's a reason why that game is such a toxic cesspool.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    Not sure why this person seems to be giving such snobby replies.

    You should be able to report what you believe is abuse of the vote kick system.
    There is no abuse. If more people vote they want you removed than people vote they dont want you removed, you get removed. If they happen to be friends, that's just bad luck.

    Easy fix: Make it so that premade parties only count as 1 voice.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalBeef View Post
    There is no abuse. [...] If they happen to be friends, that's just bad luck.
    You just described the absolut textbook example of abuse..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    You just described the absolut textbook example of abuse..
    So people kicking you makes it abuse just because they are friends? /doubt
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalBeef View Post
    So people kicking you makes it abuse just because they are friends? /doubt
    abuse: use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.

    The abuse is because he was kicked for no reason; i.e. the "kick system" was misused for a bad purpose. Don't change the rationale for why it is called abuse, that is just your strawman argument.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoKreuz View Post
    abuse: use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.

    The abuse is because he was kicked for no reason; i.e. the "kick system" was misused for a bad purpose. Don't change the rationale for why it is called abuse, that is just your strawman argument.
    There is a difference between "there is no reason" and "he doesn't know the reason" :^) And friends are more likely to go with the opinion of their friends, so if they're indecisive about kicking that dude or not, their friend voting "yes" can be the deciding factor. Still no abuse in sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalBeef View Post
    There is a difference between "there is no reason" and "he doesn't know the reason" :^) And friends are more likely to go with the opinion of their friends, so if they're indecisive about kicking that dude or not, their friend voting "yes" can be the deciding factor. Still no abuse in sight.
    I am arguing from his perspective, in his opinion, there was no reason to kick him i.e. he got kicked for no reason. He has every right to report the incident to the GMs, who will decide if "there was a reason". He is calling it "abuse" from his perspective, not because "they are friends". Whether it was abuse or not is not up to you to decide either, but he has every right to report "as abuse".

    You're trying to white-wash the incident as "not abuse" just cause you think the friends "didn't agree to kick him together", or "they just happened to be friends who agreed on an incident", which there could be none.
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