We need an ilvl/gear requirement for leveling dungeons

[Gaethan_Tessula]

If you only did it once why are you defending it here tooth and nail? Do you not have other things you can be doing? Me and some other folks are posting on this thread because we’ve literally seen people missing gear slots in higher level duties. I will no longer be responding to you because this is pointless.

I've never defended not having an ilvl requirement. I've only defended myself, and that particular experience, because

1) I have my pride.

2) It shows that the minimum does not need to be particularly high for most leveling dungeons.

3) It shows just how overgeared players are in leveling content, which trivializes things, enabling and rewarding lazy play. Whether that is low gear or low effort. The excessive ease of the content, and the culture that fosters, is just as harmful as the lack of minimum requirements. Many early leveling dungeons near outright encourage ignoring mechanics. Just ensuring people out gear the content will not solve the problem, and may in fact make it worse.

And by all means, ignore me. Given near your every response has involved attacking my character, I vastly prefer your indifference.

[hynaku]

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

[Noitems]

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

The 71-79 dungeons have no IL limitations, so you can go into them wearing entirely lvl 1 emperor's gear the whole way through. I think Amarout and the two extra dungeons have restrictions.

The fact is they make it like that most likely to allow people to not be roadblocked in the story, but that is also causing massive frustration with people being called out for it and using the argument "Then why did it let me in here?"

It's a really big problem that I think everyone is seeing more since the expac launched. I'm really seeing it often with the 290 AF gear though and people assuming it's fine since they can q in.

[Kletian_the_Sorceror]

Then to fix it they need to have the gear scale bottom up to the dungeon as well as top down. Another solution would be to put you into ques that are relative to your ilvl. Those are two solutions, however I do believe that this would alienate the new players looking for specific ques. Which would make it very difficult to get people into the game. I myself want my little brother to try it out,but he may not even like it at this point xD.

[ArchlordPie]

Simple solution: i110 minimum for all HW leveling dungeons. i250 minimum for all SB leveling dungeons. i380 minimum for all ShB leveling dungeons. The game remembers the highest item level your job has equipped at any point, and if the difference between that value and what you currently have on when queueing for leveling roulette is too big, you get Aurum Vale with a sprout for your leveling roulette.

What do all of those numbers have in common? They're exactly 20 points below the previous expansion's best-in-slot ilevel, and 5 points below the vendor gear you can buy for gil at the start of the corresponding expansion. Brand new players progressing through MSQ get handed gear that's more than sufficient to meet these benchmarks prior to needing to get into the first dungeon of any given expansion. Players on alt jobs can meet these benchmarks with unupgraded poetics gear. This won't gate any new player with half a brain out of MSQ progression. It'll just stop people from getting into Vault runs with i90 left side and i45 accessories and ruining the experience of everyone else involved.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I just saw another undergeared Dancer as I loaded in and checked her gear in Castrum Abania (she had 19K HP). Her left side is all i255 with an i260 belt. Her accessories were real bad. One weathered earring (i1), Hero's Necklace of Fending (i90), Dawn Ringbands (i18), Halonic ring of aiming (i142), and Brand New Ring (i30). I asked her if she had any better accessories. She did not respond. I kindly responded that I would take the penalty at the beginning of the dungeon.

Seriously, item level requirements should be reasonably placed so that it's not too high for people to enter, but not to the point where people are undergeared by a long mile.

[hynaku]

Today saw low ilvl in level 75 dungeon. The player had 35k less hp than the healer did and was I think in the level 70 ilvl 300 gear for the first level 70 dungeons. This needs to be fix and not keep happening. Because of it we kept on wiping since healer had to keep raising them on almost every group mobs pulled and on the boss fights.

[Tridus]

I did a test and wore my starting level 1 gear and got put in a sbh dungeon in duty finder. That should never happen. Did another wearing crafting gear and same thing happened.

The flip side of this is that if they add it, people will exploit the system the way they are with Alliance roulette, and we'll get Sashtasha 90% of the time because it's faster than doing the newer content.

They need to fix that problem before looking at this.

[Rilifane]

The flip side of this is that if they add it, people will exploit the system the way they are with Alliance roulette, and we'll get Sashtasha 90% of the time because it's faster than doing the newer content.

They need to fix that problem before looking at this.

I highly doubt that.
People dump their ilvl for Alli Raid because getting the 70s raids is bound to be a wipefest easily taking up 1-2 hours while the CT raids are fast and easy, even WoD is usually reasonably smooth. But with dungeons most people get annoyed with the low level dungeons because they'd rather spent 20min a dungeon with more skills available than 15min pushing one button over and over. I have yet to see anyone typing "oh neat! sastasha! it's so quick" but I've seen plenty of "oh great, snooztasha" the moment someone zoned in.
When I zoned into higher lvl dungeons in roulette I often read something like "oh nice, haven't seen this one in a while". People were generally happy with higher level dungeons but annoyed with lower level dungeons.

But that aside, there is an easy way to fix both roulettes in one go: duties, including all leveling dungeons and trials, get a min ilvl requirement and when queueing for roulettes you need to fulfill that requirement for the highest duty available for that job.

[LalaRu]

As you all know, the game have a function of "suggested gear".

My insane idea on how to deal with the issue:
1) The "suggested gear" feature looks everywhere (retainers and saddlebag too) for its suggestions;
2) When you queue, it is taken account the ilevel of suggested gear.
3) Problem solved. If you get an i15 into an expert, kicking him is perfectly legit.