Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Aosha]

[other moves] *Requiescat* *Holy Circle* "Uh oh, my HP's about 10%, and the WHM just started casting another Holy" *Safety Clemency* *Holy Circle* "Huh, I'm low again, with no heal of any kind to be seen. Oh, there's another Holy cast. Guess I'll just..." *Safety Clemency* *Confiteor*
After pull: "Why did you use Clemency I got this"
You most evidently did not, my good sir.

Yeah, I can see Clemency seeming annoying for a healer (especially now that we have an AoE use for our MP), but honestly when I've seen someone get annoyed by it (or at least voice that annoyance), it's always been the healers who needed the help. Not that I've seen it happen more than three or four times, which definitely isn't a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions from.

[Dogempire]

Honestly, clemency as a pld in a dungeon is only good when either the healer is dead and people are low hp and the boss is close to dying, or the healer can't keep up with incoming damage, so they need a small boost in healing to help them stabilize a bit.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

I unlocked SCH tonight and decided to try it out in a random dungeon. Got Tamtara. Okay! The tank immediately loses aggro, I notice they don't have their tank stance up and open the chat to remind them, but they put it up before I could begin. Despite having tank stance, they lose aggro again. They're a sprout though so I'm not so mad. Regardless, they repeatedly lose aggro and I noticed they're just standing around a lot. It's basically me and the other DPS dealing with the mobs because they were doing nothing. I watched them stare at me with 3 mobs on my face, just doing nothing. This went on for the entire dungeon. Just them standing about and staring. We make it to the last boss and the tank makes no move whatsoever to get out the AoE. In fact they just start jumping in place? It was really weird behaviour and I'm not sure how to make sense of it. Either drunk or extreme lag. Idk.

[KaleShibata]

[other moves] *Requiescat* *Holy Circle* "Uh oh, my HP's about 10%, and the WHM just started casting another Holy" *Safety Clemency* *Holy Circle* "Huh, I'm low again, with no heal of any kind to be seen. Oh, there's another Holy cast. Guess I'll just..." *Safety Clemency* *Confiteor*
After pull: "Why did you use Clemency I got this"
You most evidently did not, my good sir.

Yeah, I can see Clemency seeming annoying for a healer (especially now that we have an AoE use for our MP), but honestly when I've seen someone get annoyed by it (or at least voice that annoyance), it's always been the healers who needed the help. Not that I've seen it happen more than three or four times, which definitely isn't a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions from.

honestly my job as tank in any situation is quite literally: Keep aggro and Don't eat dirt. if clemency helps the healer's mp recover so stability isn't an issue I'm gonna use it. the only time i bother since it crits nice oft times is if im starting to be under 50% near constantly, at that point clemency is only helping the healer not panic.

Or they can just take it like an insult. i dunno i think the ability to help keep a stable lifeline is really important myself. saves you a bit of mp and it will still heal me. everyone wins right?

[Samsta]

EDIT: Actually let me put that a different way: Do you feel the same way about Aurora?

Aurora is completely free defensive cooldown, I would expect gunbreakers to use it. Clemency eats one gcd and mana.

[Wolfsbane706]

As a SCH, I generally have no idea what any of the other classes' skills do, so if someone uses an ability I tend to assume they know what they're doing. Generally. There's some odd cases, but that's usually when someone doesn't use a particular skill. IE, healers that won't raise or tanks that won't tank stance.

[Katie_Kitty]

[other moves] *Requiescat* *Holy Circle* "Uh oh, my HP's about 10%, and the WHM just started casting another Holy" *Safety Clemency* *Holy Circle* "Huh, I'm low again, with no heal of any kind to be seen. Oh, there's another Holy cast. Guess I'll just..." *Safety Clemency* *Confiteor*
After pull: "Why did you use Clemency I got this"
You most evidently did not, my good sir.

Yeah, I can see Clemency seeming annoying for a healer (especially now that we have an AoE use for our MP), but honestly when I've seen someone get annoyed by it (or at least voice that annoyance), it's always been the healers who needed the help. Not that I've seen it happen more than three or four times, which definitely isn't a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions from.

Why are you wasting MP on clemency in the middle of your holy circle spam, lmao. If you die, you die, it's not really a big deal and it only shows that the healer is bad if they let you die. Personally I'll always keep my damage rotation going and my defensive cooldowns and if the healer let's me die then oh well it's on them.

[Callinon]

Aurora is completely free defensive cooldown, I would expect gunbreakers to use it. Clemency eats one gcd and mana.

I understand the dps difference, but I'm trying to address the personal offense apparently being felt by healers who think the tank is taking their job away from them by healing themselves.

[Kanitezz]

I unlocked SCH tonight and decided to try it out in a random dungeon. Got Tamtara. Okay! The tank immediately loses aggro, I notice they don't have their tank stance up and open the chat to remind them, but they put it up before I could begin. Despite having tank stance, they lose aggro again. They're a sprout though so I'm not so mad. Regardless, they repeatedly lose aggro and I noticed they're just standing around a lot. It's basically me and the other DPS dealing with the mobs because they were doing nothing. I watched them stare at me with 3 mobs on my face, just doing nothing. This went on for the entire dungeon. Just them standing about and staring. We make it to the last boss and the tank makes no move whatsoever to get out the AoE. In fact they just start jumping in place? It was really weird behaviour and I'm not sure how to make sense of it. Either drunk or extreme lag. Idk.

Could they have been bots?

[MikuMitsuko]

honestly my job as tank in any situation is quite literally: Keep aggro and Don't eat dirt. if clemency helps the healer's mp recover so stability isn't an issue I'm gonna use it. the only time i bother since it crits nice oft times is if im starting to be under 50% near constantly, at that point clemency is only helping the healer not panic.

Or they can just take it like an insult. i dunno i think the ability to help keep a stable lifeline is really important myself. saves you a bit of mp and it will still heal me. everyone wins right?

Actually, your job as tank is keep aggro, don't die, and also DPS. You're losing dps when you use Clemency. The only time you really should be using Clem is if the healer is unable to heal for whatever reason or for Divine Veil.

I don't think anyone who isn't garbage at healing needs the tank to lose dps so they can save, what, a few hundred MP? Who actually has MP issues? Especially with the oGCDs (that cost nothing) that healers have and should always use first.

Just goes back to what I previously said. Healer is there to heal. Don't gimp your own dps just to do someone else's job.

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Anyway, to keep this on-topic I actually did have an incident today in DF where I *did* have to Clem to save a run. Ghimlyt Dark final boss, WHM dies to the first set of explosive canisters and we don't have a dps with raise so I pretty much became the tank/heal hybrid so many PLDs apparently dream of being. MNK dies to the golden line attack just before the last phase but the NIN and I manage to kill the bosses with half a second left before enrage. Healer left instantly, I got two comms :3