The difference between WoW and FF14

[Melichoir]

So finally made it to level 50 and that "raid". The one called "bard"-something-or-other. Full party.

What struck me was the massive difference between WoW and FF14.

Due to not knowing the fight and my horrendous latency (1000+ms), I died...a lot.

Not one single person flamed me, or told me to "get gud", or uninstall, or anything like that.

Actually, they just kept throwing rezzes at me.

What a HUGE difference between that experience and the experience I'd have under the same circumstances in WoW. It's actually amazing.


I just wish FF14 wasn't so quiet! I do miss the world chat WoW has. FF14 is very lonely. I don't play very much because I feel so alone in the world. I liked the world chat because, even when not participating, it made the world seem so much more alive. The chat was entertaining as much as the gameplay was.

World chat doesnt happen to much outside of major hubs (like Limsa). Out in the world space or what not, its all linkshells, discord, and FC banter predominately. Just take it to heart that a good idea is to go find a linkshell/static/FC that has more active/chatty members. It can make a different if thats what youre looking for. Also dont be afraid to strike up conversations in party chat. As odd as it is, most people wont talk out of the blue, so if you break the ice youll generally get some good response then. Not all parties mind you. Some people want to get in and out. But yeah, gotta put yourself out there.

[Hatstand]

I’ll agree with WoW’s community being worse, even if there is toxicity in raiding here.

I stepped over to WoW for a little bit, level up a healer, and the first levelling dungeon I get into a dungeon I get yelled at by the dps for letting the tank die once. After that I started explicitly mentioning that I was new when I queued into dungeons. The next time I didn’t mention it, I got yelled at again for letting a dps die once (despite the fact that the tank had abandoned duty and we still finished the dungeon without a wipe). I hadn’t heard a single peep in party chat apart from this in any dungeon.

In ffxiv it’s more common than not to get a hello or a wave upon entering a dungeon, and a thanks upon leaving it. Little things like that make it so much more enjoyable to work with people.

[Rasikko]

Can be in an FC and still feel like you're in a world of one in the game..

[Iscah]

Hmm, the only thing with 'Bard' in it is a level 65ish dungeon of the Stormblood expansion called Bardem's Mettle, and that was not too much trouble when I ran it.

I'm going to guess it's "The Minstrel's Ballad". Close enough in two different directions - same meaning and similar sound.

[MaelleRiou]

I think it's just that FFXIV moderators actually enforce chat rules so players have learned to not be jerks to each other while in WoW you can get away with a whole hell of a lot before mods step in.

[KageTokage]

I did definitely run into more people with nasty attitudes a lot more often in random instanced content while playing WoW then I did XIV.

I've had more bad social experiences in XIV then WoW, though...

[Makeda]

So I guess sadly this thread itself has outed one example of toxic players in this game as well with that person who was calling the OP deadweight... I won't quote him, several others already have.

So, now you know... they do in fact also exist here.


Recently I've had an uptick in toxic players here. The morality police sorts I noted on a prior page of the thread...

Back in WoW, at least anytime I went over to Alliance side, the general / trade chat had at least one if not several racist rants a day... and those would sometimes go on and on for hours after being reported - log out, come back, and the same folks would still be at it...

- I have seen that here, but limited to Discord where SE can't tough them. So those players are still around... but they keep it out of game. An FC I was in on Coeurl in early August... had to leave them after that.

I did definitely run into more people with nasty attitudes a lot more often in random instanced content while playing WoW then I did XIV.

I've had more bad social experiences in XIV then WoW, though...

Yeah... and that makes me think on this too...

More nasty folks in WoW, but also less social here...

I think the presence of 'elitist sorts' is actually stronger here than in WoW. Raiding communities in both rely heavily on external logging sites. But WoW raiders tend to use a trial period to see how your logs look with them rather than look at prior logs. What FFXIV calls 'midcore' raiders WoW would see as Hardcore, as far as social dynamics go. And most raiders there are not in that sphere of things.

I think it's also easier to be, or rather get over; being a stranger in WoW... I've done server transfers in both games at points - and in WoW it is a lot easier to 'break through' into a new community after doing that.

FFXIV servers seem to just not be easy to find new friends on. I could go back to WoW, pick a new server; and I'd probably have a dozen friends within a week. Here, that could take me 6+ months and only then if I was actively hunting them down and pestering people...
- I suspect this is a sideeffect of the linkshell system. In WoW to communicate outside your guild with multiple people you're going to do it in zone, general, or trade - and it broadcasts wide, so people join in... and you meet new people - both good and bad.
- Here all of that goes private very quickly and communities become insular.


Also... I like revealing glams, I find them cute. Despite the constant racism and also sexism I see in WoW, nobody has ever morality police 'shamed me' for a glamour choice there, nor tried to force ERP on me...

[SilentVoice]

community, maybe on lesser margin than other games, but "school kids" and elitists are out there, waging wars and comparing epeens whenever they get a chance to do that. so i suggest OP just wait till he gets to 80s and also try new 24 man raids when they get released. that'd be helluva ride through toxic wastes =)

[Naoki34]

We do have the linkshells (server and cross world) which is the equivalent of world chat, but I know what you mean. It can vary you might get in and have as you said a quiet experience or you might have a talkative one. Good to hear you had a nice raid time.

The "linkshells" cross server/world exist in WoW a long time before FFXIV.
You need just group your friend (for your friend cross server) and you can play with him, in the same DC. The party leader "teleport" all the party in his server, automatically.

You can build party raid from your friendlist.

As a result, your argument is irrelevant.

[linay]

The "linkshells" cross server/world exist in WoW a long time before FFXIV.
You need just group your friend (for your friend cross server) and you can play with him, in the same DC. The party leader "teleport" all the party in his server, automatically.

You can build party raid from your friendlist.

As a result, your argument is irrelevant.

Uhm, what argument? It looks like Krokov was trying to offer a potential solution to "world chat," although a linkshell is still limited to the people who are invited and not something that anyone can join.

There is also novice network, but that also has its own rules for joining and the quality of chat can vary, as with any (semi-)public chat.