So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Endariel]

Using act in everything that isn't current ex or savage.
Yikes

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Using act in everything that isn't current ex or savage.
Yikes

No one goes and opens ACT mid-game. They just open it before starting the game and hide the overlay until needed or just keep it showing always.

[XenociderOmega]

I played WoW and we had a dps meter only people that got salty about it are people that got called out for being bad

[dapperfaffer]

I played WoW and we had a dps meter only people that got salty about it are people that got called out for being bad

Pretty much this. Most people in WoW use damage meters as a way to parse their own damage output, heal output, or to monitor what a raid is doing and things they can improve on. Its only the toxic people, who complain about things regardless, that use it as a means on enforcing how to play and even then its rare. What makes WoW toxic is that people know the minimum and maximum thresholds that classes should be able to output, and that has nothing to do with damage meters.

[Fynlar]

Honestly, from my experience in the "workforce", if you aren't pulling your weight, they usually aren't going to go out of their way to help you learn (beyond any sort of "basic training" that they give to all new employees); they will just can you and hire someone else, someone that won't need that extra effort on the company's part.


If you're lucky, you'll get a warning beforehand, but even then the warning is just going to amount to "git gud or else", not explicit details on what/how to do better.

[Doozer]

Why are people talking about irl jobs. Working a job and playing a game are barely related. What, you can't run a farm irl? No wonder your gathering gear is so bad. Like what.

[Ronduwil]

Why is telling someone that they are under performing (without any insults) is considered as harassment, but the fact that people let themselves to be lazy in duties and not care that with that they are hurting the group - is not?

Because it's just a game? I don't criticize those who treat their games like full time jobs, complete with performance reviews and peer evaluations. By that same token, however, I don't feel I should be criticized for not playing as industriously as the next guy. If I'm ignorantly doing something that is genuinely hurting the group, then I am open to criticism. If you want to come down on me in the dungeon roulette because I just leveled up and the gear recommendation button determined that my tank is supposed to be wearing cloth pants because the rest of my on-level gear is crap, then you should probably settle down. The last thing I want to encounter when playing a game at the end of my workday is another supervisor.

[Ronduwil]

You have an unfortunate surprise waiting when you get into the higher end content.

It won't be a surprise. That's why I said "well-designed." I cleared most of the Heroic raids in the WoW Cataclysm expansion. I'm very familiar with the "everyone needs to maximize their DPS and then some to beat the enrage timers" style of game design. I just think it's crappy. But I didn't think we were discussing high end content here. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought we were talking about damage meters in the dungeon roulette, not end game raiding. If you're running end game raids with your guild, then of course criticism should be expected, embraced, and encouraged. If you're clearing bosses effortlessly with a bunch of sprouts in the dungeon roulette, however, you just come off like a jerk when you call someone out for under-performing.

[Komarimono]

Not sure why people are trying to say that just because it's a "game" that we can't hold people responsible for their actions. Games throughout the entire history of human existence have always been competitive or for self improvement in some form.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It won't be a surprise. That's why I said "well-designed." I cleared most of the Heroic raids in the WoW Cataclysm expansion. I'm very familiar with the "everyone needs to maximize their DPS and then some to beat the enrage timers" style of game design. I just think it's crappy. But I didn't think we were discussing high end content here. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought we were talking about damage meters in the dungeon roulette, not end game raiding. If you're running end game raids with your guild, then of course criticism should be expected, embraced, and encouraged. If you're clearing bosses effortlessly with a bunch of sprouts in the dungeon roulette, however, you just come off like a jerk when you call someone out for under-performing.

And then they get to SB trials and lvl 80 dungeons and keep failing the DPS checks, wiping and failing mechanics because no one called them out for them to clean up their act. They'll carry on blissfully thinking everything's fine.