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  1. #101
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    first as gamer I don't like to be bully in to accept some else standard and this is what come back to a desire bully other to accept other standard. as Christian I realize that Christ Jesus doesn't desire force people to the faith. the difference between the me and Sjw is that one should be force to accept they standard the sjw demand everyone accept there standard. my question to orginal author is this why do you want remove gender base stance, I like the stance aren't neutral is your right to force the rest of us to your standard are you not the one tried force your standard down are throats or the japense or any other ffxiv community throat. Is your world view behind your demand.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy View Post
    I'll admit that I've a bias towards data and the deeper meaning behind it, but I'm not so rigid in my beliefs in that I'd adhere to the results only if they prove favorable to my preconceptions. Even if they "hurt" me, even if they've challenged everything I believed previously, I should accept them for how they are post further investigation and alter my world view accordingly. I know that everything I believe could one day be proven wrong in their entirety and go about my studies with that in mind. There is a great benefit to approaching the sciences with this mindset. Would that a great few others would understand and acknowledge this, I think we could prosper further and fully facilitate the least amount of suffering for everyone.


    And I'd like to thank you for engaging with me to this degree. While we have our differences, I do not think you to be a bad person nor an abject failure. It was hardly a proper discussion/debate with the appropriate mediation and necessary rules, but I do think through finding common ground and actually speaking with one another without the vehement vitriol are we able to compromise in spite of differing schools of thought. I am merely an aspiring composer, pianist and occasional forum troll, but I will accept your praise and positive perception of me in regards to this game's community. What makes this one of the better communities on the market is our capacity for understanding despite the difference of backgrounds. I'd like to extend likewise praise to yourself, though some might disagree with you.
    Thank you very much! To be honest, I'm not used to this sort of civil discourse being the response to my views. Nine times out of ten, I get the vitriol, and I had given up hope of ever meeting someone like you in a community I had anything to do with. I'm impressed there's still someone out there who can have a conversation like this without resorting to ad hominem attacks or slander on social media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first as gamer I don't like to be bully in to accept some else standard and this is what come back to a desire bully other to accept other standard. as Christian I realize that Christ Jesus doesn't desire force people to the faith. the difference between the me and Sjw is that one should be force to accept they standard the sjw demand everyone accept there standard. my question to orginal author is this why do you want remove gender base stance, I like the stance aren't neutral is your right to force the rest of us to your standard are you not the one tried force your standard down are throats or the japense or any other ffxiv community throat. Is your world view behind your demand.
    As a quick addendum, OP wants everyone to have both male and female versions of the battle stance and victory pose emotes.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I like the battle stance and victory stance as there I argee that they fine the way there are they don't need change. I also am Christian too but I understand the science of the human body men and woman are different this much are truth and can't be denied I often said the fantasy and realistic are linked in this case science and fantasy are linked male and female are different this can not ignore no matter how much one want to or denied it. how men and woman hold weapons in fantasy game are going be different and not the same this should be accepted. the bible teach that male and female have different roles this is true in script yet in fantasy game these roles are going be disgard for fantasy. through I do argee how woman and men will hold weapon will be different basic the strength the issue I see with this thread in the desire to throw away this fact for a even further fantasy the gender roles are basic the same this isn't every able to be accept because as I said before fantasy must be basic on elemental of reality or science to throw them out is to tried create a new set reality that isn't even or can be prove. as a opinion I like how my female hold her paladin shield and sword I love how my dark knight hold her sword I like all victory and battle stance through at one point I did argue for different stance between the scholar and summoner I still would like that.
    Who wears what and does what chores is arbitrary. In real life males may be stronger but in Eorzea Rem can crack mountains with her fist. It is up to the writers and players to determine what and if gender roles exist in this game.

    Also no one is talking about changing your emotes, just giving everyone the ability to choose what emotes to use. Please leave your irl hang ups at the door when you log into the game, you'll be happier for it.
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  4. #104
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    I came late to this argument I glad to see it was handle with respect to between people I doubt many gamers agree with the OP on this issue. I like the stance the way there are as I said

    seem to me this argument was finish on op post before I arrived

    yet you want being really life into video game if I not mistake this go back to culture Marxism. the concept of doing away with gender in rl it also an attempt remove any gender battle stance in game I have though these have been base on past ff character battle stance under the cliam of gender equality the point is that video game characters are base off really life human being both male and female so tried to do away with gender battle stance and etc isn't impossible because really life human body men and women are different this can't be change by anything we tried to do the stance are base off animation use really life people both male and female really life people when they doing animation the base off female and male human who are use to for animation base. you can't have gender equality because the human being be use for models for animation are different no way you change that. have you or anyone studied how animation is done they have use really life people for animations, really life is connect to fantasy the ignorant of the OP doesn't realize this
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 08-04-2019 at 01:56 AM.

  5. #105
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    neither men nor women hold giant anime sized swords in real life or in the bible.
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  6. #106
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    I am say that they must use really life people to create the animation for the games these model are base of really men and womens for these animators to work with so the desire for gender equality is impossible because really men and women different for each other.
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  7. #107
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    A man and a woman will not hold a BIG ANIME SWORD drastically different due to biology. Societal gender roles have nothing to do with how you would hold a BIG ANIME SWORD. BIG ANIME SWORDs do not play a role in the day to day lives of humans irl or in religious text.

    The male idle pose for BIG ANIME SWORD class is Cloud Strife’s pose.

    If you have 2 functioning arms + 2 functioning legs + 1 BIG ANIME SWORD (or something of approx. shape/size, ie. a broom) you can strike this pose in real life regardless of your race/gender/religion/sexuality/education/credit score.
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  8. #108
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    big sword way a tons maybe we need more female and male emotions. or did you see the building of buster sword

    the male samuri have different idle stance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogheZdAO18

    this awesome video about make the buster sword

    I admit this reforce your point through I would more happy if SE did more female and male emotion not tried make them all the same or give both gender each other emotion. this would a waste of money. I still wait for the naught naught emotion of shake your finger at person.
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 08-04-2019 at 02:52 AM.

  9. #109
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    The weight of the sword hardly matters in this game. If a male lala is strong enough to hold a sword like Cloud Strife I don't see why a femroe is not lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy View Post
    Everything
    Want to thank you for actually putting in all the time you have. What you've done here is something I've thought of doing, albeit usually in different fields where I actually have expertise or friends who are experts to assist, but never do because it'd be too much effort especially considering the venue.

    You've thoroughly proven that apathetic conclusion wrong through your efforts here. Thank you.
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