SAM got Instant Cast Tsubame and Hagakure is back Meikyo cd reduced to 55 + Shoha!!!

[KageTokage]

I honestly wasn't expecting Hagakure to return as anything more then a means of managing Sen to ensure you can use the right iaijutsu for the situation so I'm satisfied with it.

[steroids]

none of those changes will make samurai competitive again. The difference between monk and dragoon dps is too high while they bring some minor buffs and a a better synergy with other classes. With monk changes theres is no point bring a sam as it stands and these changes wont make any difference. At best you see a 1-2% dps change big f%king deal.

[Naryoril]

I like the way Hagakure made a comeback as well. I think ShB samurai flows better than the SB samurai and now we have a way to manage sen without changing that flow. Granted, the skill ceiling is lower the way it is now, but even so, it feels better to play to me. I'm not talking about the damage, but the way the class feels to play. Damage can be increased in other ways than adding the old hagakure.

[Taranok]

Hagakure being 5 kenki/sen means samurai gained zero damage. Shoha is still <1% of your damage and rest is QoL. I hope everyone enjoys being back in no Samurai PF meme land because that is where we are headed, along with ninja.

Oh good, they're not bringing back Hagakure, it's now just a QoL thing to dump unwanted sen. Fantastic, SAM will continue to be accessible to more players and have superior flow.

none of those changes will make samurai competitive again. The difference between monk and dragoon dps is too high while they bring some minor buffs and a a better synergy with other classes. With monk changes theres is no point bring a sam as it stands and these changes wont make any difference.

I'm honestly surprised Dragoon and Monk weren't brought in line. And if you're complaining about SAM, you should move your attention to a vastly worse off selfish DPS, Machinist, which effectively has no purpose right now because it's flat out beaten by so many supporty DPS classes that it may as well not exist.

[MajisTek]

We didn't lose anything by getting a 5 sec CD to remove each sen for 5 kenki. It's just a QoL buff.

Like if you already have Gekko and Kasha up before a dungeon boss but no Jinpu/Shifu and Kenki to spare..

But knowing how some people play, I'm sure they will complain about it because they will be popping that button instead of Midare lol..

[Jimsvaliant]

Oh good, they're not bringing back Hagakure, it's now just a QoL thing to dump unwanted sen. Fantastic, SAM will continue to be accessible to more players and have superior flow.



I'm honestly surprised Dragoon and Monk weren't brought in line. And if you're complaining about SAM, you should move your attention to a vastly worse off selfish DPS, Machinist, which effectively has no purpose right now because it's flat out beaten by so many supporty DPS classes that it may as well not exist.

Nerfed Hagakure actually makes the class flow even better. It's just not the Shinten rotation that it used to be.

I mean it's essentially the same problem right? SAMs will be worried about savage spots because they're eclipsed by Dragoons and Monks who have better rDPS and bring utility. We're not competing with MCHs here. I'm glad that SAMs are accessible but the selfish melee DPS does the worst DPS, barring NIN of course.

[steroids]

sure but the point isn't about machs , there is no point bring a sam either though. As it stands in ffxiv logs there is no top team in extreme that has a sam in it - correction just one , while many have ninjas and they continue to do so cause 50 potency buff (gut slash) on a spammable ability is something overall . This patch a joke. Sam needed to be on par with black mage and black mage needed to be toned down. monk dragoon are fine. dancers ninjas need more buffs and machs some utility

[Hacchan]

Yeah.. Hagakure return is just a QoL skills that is useful to reset us but all that change just proves that the dev in charge of the job have no effin clue or doesn't care at all about SAM. Giving us the shambling corpse of Hagakure isn't going to help us in anything when we need a large damage buff..

[Remus]

So they buff Monk when they were already ahead of Samurai. Why even bring a SAM at this point? They aren't even doing the most anymore. SE balancing at it's finest.

[Wavaryen]

Giving Hagakure back was a big mistake, but at least it is not forced on us.

This was a middle of the road change for sam. For the people who wanted it for Sen control. They had a good point, so they got it back. At the same time for us who did not want it. It did not become a must use.

This was perfect move to make both sides happy.



On the other class being stronger comments. I don't really care, as I love sam play style. Besides our level 80 skill. I'm happy with the changes.