Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[DonovanLifeweaver]

Seems it was my turn to be one of the bad players, did a few big pulls ok then promptly died on the first boss in Malikah's as WhM. I did the fair thing and kicked myself so they could get a better healer.

I notice on threads here that the general opinion is that if someone is unsure if they can heal or tank a dungeon they have no business queuing for one and that new players mistakes like getting hit by obvious mechanics isn't acceptable at max level. I'm unsure where to go from here, I'm not a healer main and I don't want to hold groups back. Is there something suitable to practice on or if I feel uncertainty should I just stick to dps and grouping with friends? :/

can i kick you in the face....WITH YOUR OWN FOOT? dont get out of groups because you dont have enough practice!!!!
im on primal behemoth lately im running on my tank instead of my healers,i main play all 3, if you ever get in a group with me we will train you a bit.
understood? right now with shb we have a new generation of healer and tank so i dont mind spending 3-4 mintues with them to explain them how to work things around

[DonovanLifeweaver]

There are no new players starting in shadowbringers. If someone skips without reading their tooltips, deservedly make them unwelcome until they do their homework.

went in a duty last nigiht with a potion tank... never had so much fun.
i am guessing he apply a lost concept ... practice. it's a very rare trait you know not alot of people apply this.

[Lynesse]

Seems it was my turn to be one of the bad players, did a few big pulls ok then promptly died on the first boss in Malikah's as WhM. I did the fair thing and kicked myself so they could get a better healer.

I notice on threads here that the general opinion is that if someone is unsure if they can heal or tank a dungeon they have no business queuing for one and that new players mistakes like getting hit by obvious mechanics isn't acceptable at max level. I'm unsure where to go from here, I'm not a healer main and I don't want to hold groups back. Is there something suitable to practice on or if I feel uncertainty should I just stick to dps and grouping with friends? :/

Oh, you queue anyway, and you learn.

I've soloed 3 bosses on my PLD.

If your tank was a PLD, and he couldn't survive after you died, that's his fault.

If your tank wasn't a PLD, then it's not your fault that the other tanks don't have the world's greatest skill, Clemency.

I always go into newer content expecting the healer to die because this game is super unfair to healers right now. But PLD can basically solo dungeons.

[Hawklaser]

I notice on threads here that the general opinion is that if someone is unsure if they can heal or tank a dungeon they have no business queuing for one and that new players mistakes like getting hit by obvious mechanics isn't acceptable at max level. I'm unsure where to go from here, I'm not a healer main and I don't want to hold groups back. Is there something suitable to practice on or if I feel uncertainty should I just stick to dps and grouping with friends? :/

Its one thing if you are just uncertain and trying to improve. I'm perfectly happy with getting this kind of player via duty finder. As experience tends to teach better and faster than study for many.

Its the one's that queue for dungeons they don't have reasonable gear for (ie trying to do Shadowbringers content with sub 385 gear) or refuse to use portions of their skillsets and then get upset when called out about that get the biggest flak.

I would be willing to bet even SturmChurro would work with a healer that was uncomfortable with big pulls if they were reasonably geared and willing to attempt learning to do them, if it was communicated. How far they would work with them, thats a different story. As a healer will eventually need to know how to handle times when the tank is holding 15+ mobs, better to learn on trash then a surprise crazy boss add phase when also got to deal with the boss too.

[legione]

Or, and I know this is a completely insane thing suggest, stop being part of the problem and help others.

how am i suppose to help if you didnt even bother to read your jobs tooltips ?

[SturmChurro]

I would be willing to bet even SturmChurro would work with a healer that was uncomfortable with big pulls if they were reasonablely geared and willing to attempt learning to do them, if it was communicated. How far they would work with them, thats a different story. As a healer will eventually need to know how to handle times when the tank is holding 15+ mobs, better to learn on trash then a a suprise crasy boss add phase when also got to deal with the boss too.

Believe it or not, if someone isn't rude, I will spend a very long time (the entire timer) to the commitment of helping a new player, or someone trying to get something. I have stayed for an extra 3-4 hours in a mount farm because I told the person "as long as the group stays together, I will stay until everyone gets their mount". If I seriously tell someone I am going to do something, I become committed. As for a new player, if they ask for help or seem to be struggling, and it is due to them being new (as in new to the fight), I will help them, and even carry on the burden of soloing mobs or fights if I have to (overuse of DCD).

Contrary to popular belief I have hardly ever used the kick feature, I advocate for it, but I never use it. I get kicked, but I do not kick others. Nor do I ever report anyone even when they are actually rude. Even my blacklist is completely empty. You know all those runs I would say "wow this took forever, this guy wasn't using aoe"? Yeah, I never bothered to kick them. I hardly ever leave, even when they take forever. I just like to post hyperbolic statements when I am bored, if people haven't picked that up yet.

[Rilifane]

Seems it was my turn to be one of the bad players, did a few big pulls ok then promptly died on the first boss in Malikah's as WhM. I did the fair thing and kicked myself so they could get a better healer.

I notice on threads here that the general opinion is that if someone is unsure if they can heal or tank a dungeon they have no business queuing for one and that new players mistakes like getting hit by obvious mechanics isn't acceptable at max level. I'm unsure where to go from here, I'm not a healer main and I don't want to hold groups back. Is there something suitable to practice on or if I feel uncertainty should I just stick to dps and grouping with friends? :/

The better you are at playing the class in generel, the easier every kind of content will be.
Even if the boss has some nasty surprises, by being really comfortable with your toolkit you can react accorindgly out of reflex and not by consciously having to think about it. So, that's the first thing I'd work on. You can practise that in dungeons you have already healed/ tanked.
If you don't have to think about which skill to use when you can fully focus on the mechanics and avoiding gigantic telegraphs etc. shouldn't be a problem.
As for the more unusual mechanics and surprises: YT guides or even text guides greatly help with this but some things need practise. If you say that it's your first time or even that you've been here before but didn't quite got the hang out dealing with the mechanics, most players are incredibly patient and helpful.
It's the wilfully ignorant players and those who neglect to admit that they're new to this duty o0r still struggle with it that get on people's nerves.

[CazzT]

how am i suppose to help if you didnt even bother to read your jobs tooltips ?

You have no way of knowing if someone has or not. Using that as a basis means you have no desire to help. Which means you're part of the problem.

[Hawklaser]

Believe it or not, if someone isn't rude, I will spend a very long time (the entire timer) to the commitment of helping a new player, or someone trying to get something. I have stayed for an extra 3-4 hours in a mount farm because I told the person "as long as the group stays together, I will stay until everyone gets their mount". If I seriously tell someone I am going to do something, I become committed. As for a new player, if they ask for help or seem to be struggling, and it is due to them being new (as in new to the fight), I will help them, and even carry on the burden of soloing mobs or fights if I have to (overuse of DCD).

Contrary to popular belief I have hardly ever used the kick feature, I advocate for it, but I never use it. I get kicked, but I do not kick others. Nor do I ever report anyone even when they are actually rude. Even my blacklist is completely empty. You know all those runs I would say "wow this took forever, this guy wasn't using aoe"? Yeah, I never bothered to kick them. I hardly ever leave, even when they take forever. I just like to post hyperbolic statements when I am bored, if people haven't picked that up yet.

Oddly I am not surprised by this at all. After all it tends to be a common mindset of those that get frustrated by those who take the lazy way out and think everyone else will just carry them. Perfectly fine with helping genuine new players and those trying to improve, and next to no patience for the ones that disrespectfully leech off of everyone else's efforts. It all boils down to if the person put in the effort to repesct their fellow party members before queuing up.

As to the leeches... they really should be kicked more frequently than they are, but its often just faster and safer to just finish whatever unless you are already wiping like crazy. As never know when its a group of them queued together.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

You have no way of knowing if someone has or not. Using that as a basis means you have no desire to help. Which means you're part of the problem.

Don't you think that if somebody is just pressing random buttons (Like "Full Thrust" on dragoon over and over) that's a pretty good indicator that they haven't read the tooltips past a cursory glance?

Just sayin...