DPS jobs feel busier now

[Xyr]

Most DPS keep getting bloat added to them. An additional gauge or proc to watch for each expansion. They keep piling them up.

Yep, it's not that it's becoming more difficult but more like becoming tedious just to have too many things on the hotbars.

[Reimmi]

Yep, it's not that it's becoming more difficult but more like becoming tedious just to have too many things on the hotbars.

Sounds like a good problem to me.
Believe me, you don't want the wow direction of a 2-3 button rotation, very very boring.

[Xyr]

Sounds like a good problem to me.
Believe me, you don't want the wow direction of a 2-3 button rotation, very very boring.

A problem is a problem, doesn't matter whether too simplistic or too tedious. "WoW" is such a cop out. At that point I might as well just say hey WoW has mounts, let's get rid of mounts. We don't want it to become WoW.

[reyre]

A problem is a problem, doesn't matter whether too simplistic or too tedious. "WoW" is such a cop out. At that point I might as well just say hey WoW has mounts, let's get rid of mounts. We don't want it to become WoW.

huh, i have seen you in several posts and you use the same argument, always, everytime, its almost a cop out. Dont you have anything to add? because it seems you dont, you have nothing but complains, and that is fine and dandy but you offer no solutions. Exactly what is your point again?

[Xyr]

huh, i have seen you in several posts and you use the same argument, always, everytime, its almost a cop out. Dont you have anything to add? because it seems you dont, you have nothing but complains, and that is fine and dandy but you offer no solutions. Exactly what is your point again?

Another fanboy, ignoring all the posts of suggestions regarding specific problems I made and only bringing up the "complaints". Just some example, I suggested reducing GCD to make the the flow of combat more smooth and fast paced, make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action, making trick attack only increase damage to the Ninja and buff Ninja DPS, and consolidating single target/aoe to a toggle on/off for many of the aoe skills that are just carbon copy of their single target counterparts, and suggestions to revamp of Meditation/Shoha. But hey, as expected of another fanboy, ignoring everything except what fits their ideals, just like I stated.

[MerlinCross]

Another fanboy, ignoring all the posts of suggestions regarding specific problems I made and only bringing up the "complaints". Just some example, I suggested reducing GCD to make the the flow of combat more smooth and fast paced, make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action, making trick attack only increase damage to the Ninja and buff Ninja DPS, and consolidating single target/aoe to a toggle on/off for many of the aoe skills that are just carbon copy of their single target counterparts, and suggestions to revamp of Meditation/Shoha. But hey, as expected of another fanboy, ignoring everything except what fits their ideals, just like I stated.

Wouldn't we just have people complaining about having to turn them on and off for AoE? Especially if bosses summon up a lot of adds I can see that being the new "Stance dance" complaint for some fights.

[Xyr]

Wouldn't we just have people complaining about having to turn them on and off for AoE? Especially if bosses summon up a lot of adds I can see that being the new "Stance dance" complaint for some fights.

People are always going to complain, I personally rather stance dance than having to set up an entirely separate hotbar just for aoe that do the exact same thing as their single target counterparts, and it would reduce bloat.

[reyre]

Another fanboy, ignoring all the posts of suggestions regarding specific problems I made and only bringing up the "complaints". Just some example, I suggested reducing GCD to make the the flow of combat more smooth and fast paced, make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action, making trick attack only increase damage to the Ninja and buff Ninja DPS, and consolidating single target/aoe to a toggle on/off for many of the aoe skills that are just carbon copy of their single target counterparts, and suggestions to revamp of Meditation/Shoha. But hey, as expected of another fanboy, ignoring everything except what fits their ideals, just like I stated.

Fanboy of what excatly? i literally asked a question and because of it i am a fanboy?

Eitherway, reducing GCD is a bad idea (in the current state of the game) it will hamper the overall exeperience toa significant part of the players base, also i dont think fast GCD means smooth gameplay but what do i know.
How are you proposing that skills conect with ecah other? Like combos, or what exactly?
Stance dancing? is it worth the trouble? I dont reallly care either way.
Hmm making trick attack a personal skill instead of a raid one...well then what would NIN bring to the table? another selfish DPS like SAM?
I dont play SAM so i dont really care for that one.

So you are assuming a lot of me, making you implicitly wrong. But hey just like you stated you are ignoring everything but what fits your ideals. So if nothing else you trully are a fanboy.

[ColaSama]

A problem is a problem, doesn't matter whether too simplistic or too tedious. "WoW" is such a cop out. At that point I might as well just say hey WoW has mounts, let's get rid of mounts. We don't want it to become WoW.

Oh boy, you again with your silly "logic" ? I have seen you in many posts saying the exact same non sensical thing, always with someone roasting you afterward... and here you are again ?

People dislike simple rotations because they are boring as fuck. Period. They tend to bring up WoW because a) it's the most common MMO and therefore a reference and b) it's an example of what simple rotations can do, aka "ruining classes". The fuck are you babling about with your mounts. Smell like a troll to me.

I should add that some of your points are interesting, like "make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action" and "aoe that do the exact same thing as their single target counterparts". As for the stance dance... hmm, don't know about that. Can you give me an example of a "bloated class" and a "nicely designed" one in this game ?

Just... please... don't bring up your "delete mounts because WoW has it LUL" argument, it makes you sound silly.

[Xyr]

Oh boy, you again with your silly "logic" ? I have seen you in many posts saying the exact same non sensical thing, always with someone roasting you afterward... and here you are again ?

People dislike simple rotations because they are boring as fuck. Period. They tend to bring up WoW because a) it's the most common MMO and therefore a reference and b) it's an example of what simple rotations can do, aka "ruining classes". The fuck are you babling about with your mounts. Smell like a troll to me.

I should add that some of your points are interesting, like "make skills connect with each other more instead of feeling like each skill is an individual action" and "aoe that do the exact same thing as their single target counterparts". As for the stance dance... hmm, don't know about that. Can you give me an example of a "bloated class" and a "nicely designed" one in this game ?

Just... please... don't bring up your "delete mounts because WoW has it LUL" argument, it makes you sound silly.

It sounds silly because it is? It's sarcasm because people keep saying "Wow does X, therefore X is bad." If you want to talk about nonsensical logical, that is the implicit definition of a fallacy, so my sarcastic comment regarding deleting mount is just as valid as anyone who says "Y has X, therefore X is bad."

Again, I'm tired of fighting about WoW, WoW had consolidated rotations since end of Burning Crusade, it certainly did not make their subscription drop anymore than normal, in fact it was a massive increase in subs from BC to WOTLK despite the simpler rotation. Now I'm going trying to be done talking about WoW. As for being roasted? LOL this is the internet, if I'm afraid of being roasted by fanboys that will refuse any change to the game, I would just stay off the internet.

Bloated classes: SMN, SAM, NIN, MNK
smoother class: BLM

Since I haven't played every single class, I can't say for the others. I can only say for the classes I've tried.