DPS jobs feel busier now

[Taranok]

Basically the devs forgot the lessons of Heavensward and made the classes too complicated with too many layers again, some classes got easier, some classes got a lot harder, most classes had at least one layer added to them, some several, and they feel worse overall for it, especially as mechanics in encounters get more and more complicated as the arms race of encounter design gets progressively more and more insane.

[Rakshazi]

Basically the devs forgot the lessons of Heavensward and made the classes too complicated with too many layers again, some classes got easier, some classes got a lot harder, most classes had at least one layer added to them, some several, and they feel worse overall for it, especially as mechanics in encounters get more and more complicated as the arms race of encounter design gets progressively more and more insane.

NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

[reyre]

NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

They were always easy, nothing has changed, high APM doesm mean the class is good or it plays good i mean look at BLM its not a super high APM class and it plays super smoothly, look at SMN is it not kind of spammy?
Then you have classes like NIN that have high APM and a nice flow (sure abit on the clipping side of things). So having High APM doesnt mean a more difficult nor more interesting job. I would arther have nice skill "feel and flow" than a high APM. Like DRG

[Rakshazi]

They were always easy, nothing has changed, high APM doesm mean the class is good or it plays good i mean look at BLM its not a super high APM class and it plays super smoothly, look at SMN is it not kind of spammy?
Then you have classes like NIN that have high APM and a nice flow (sure abit on the clipping side of things). So having High APM doesnt mean a more difficult nor more interesting job. I would arther have nice skill "feel and flow" than a high APM. Like DRG

Well, then play the jobs that are smooth and leave for the likes of me the high APM jobs, because we ENJOYING it. Seriously the way requsts like that (about simplifying the jobs) sounds for me like if the person loves the look of a sport car with mechanic box but can't ride it, but he loves the way car looks so much that he actualy writes a petion to make the car with automatic box! NONSENSE! You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!

[MaelleRiou]

I don't think people should get really caught up in APM. Machinist has higher APM than Summoner. Machinist feels really smooth and enjoyable to play. Summoner is a clunky mess that trips over it's own feet.

You can have a higher APM job that plays smoothly and you can have a lower APM job that feels awful.

[Rakshazi]

I don't think people should get really caught up in APM. Machinist has higher APM than Summoner. Machinist feels really smooth and enjoyable to play. Summoner is a clunky mess that trips over it's own feet.

You can have a higher APM job that plays smoothly and you can have a lower APM job that feels awful.

MCH is DEAD. The way he was and the way he is now is 2 different jobs. The MCH I loved and played since his implication to the game is DEAD, the thing you call MCH is simplyfied piece of (enter your favorite)!
But you are right about APM and smoth gameplay. it would be ideal to have job that is APM and smooth and the same time the thing is - what some calls smooth is clunky for another because they don't have either the brains to make nice and comfortable loadout or they are mutilated handicapped person.

[MaelleRiou]

MCH is DEAD. The way he was and the is now is 2 different jobs. The MCH I loved and played since his implication to the game is DEAD.

Heavensward MCH and Stormblood MCH were 2 completely different things as well. So I'm not really sure what your point is, but Shadowbringers MCH is so much better than Stormblood MCH.

[reyre]

MCH is DEAD. The way he was and the way he is now is 2 different jobs. The MCH I loved and played since his implication to the game is DEAD, the thing you call MCH is simplyfied piece of (enter your favorite)!
But you are right about APM and smoth gameplay. it would be ideal to have job that is APM and smooth and the same time the thing is - what some calls smooth is clunky for another because they don't have either the brains to make nice and comfortable loadout or they are mutilated handicapped person.

So you dont have the brain cells, because you think the jobs in this game are fine as they are? or are you a mutilated handicaped person hence you think this game has high APM, and therefore implies good gameplay?

[IBLazORI]

I'll have to disagree with Machinist feels smooth and enjoyable to play. I may be part of a minority.
I feel they just slapped the "Spam this skill nonstop once you press this button" move, similar to dark and war.
In my opinion, i feel MCH's rotation is just 95% Heat blast > ricochet > heat blast > guass round > heat blast etc.. Thats not that enjoyable.
I don't feel like i use the 1-2-3 combo very much, since I feel like i always have 50+ gauge during the fight

[reyre]

Well, then play the jobs that are smooth and leave for the likes of me the high APM jobs, because we ENJOYING it. Seriously the way requsts like that (about simplifying the jobs) sounds for me like if the person loves the look of a sport car with mechanic box but can't ride it, but he loves the way car looks so much that he actualy writes a petion to make the car with automatic box! NONSENSE! You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!

Hmm and? i never said that having high APM was bad, it seems that you dont understand what my point is. Also your metaphor is asinine and completly absurd, if they change jobs to have lower APM " You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!" See? same argument. As you said Nonsense.

Either way mocking your example is not the point.