DPS jobs feel busier now

[Lium]

RDM is my main and it’s largely unchanged. But SMN, BLM, NIN, and SAM all feel busier than they were in SB. Particularly SMN and NIN. I’m working my arse off playing those jobs, and sometimes after a trial, I’m exhausted.

BLM and SAM have had some minor tweaks and BLM is somewhat smoother. But the rest are seem to require more work.

Am I just playing these jobs wrong?

[KaiSunstrider]

Nope. Both NIN and SMN are now very very busy jobs. NiN being the highest apm class in game right above MCH and SMN having all sorts of things to juggle

[Rufalus]

I'm glad there are still some busy jobs since some people find those more enjoyable. I was surprised actually that they let ninja have this many fun new additions and changes instead of streamlining the complexity out of it. I think the best designed jobs are the ones which feel busy and engaging yet are still compact on the hotbars without button bloat.

[Taranok]

Basically the devs forgot the lessons of Heavensward and made the classes too complicated with too many layers again, some classes got easier, some classes got a lot harder, most classes had at least one layer added to them, some several, and they feel worse overall for it, especially as mechanics in encounters get more and more complicated as the arms race of encounter design gets progressively more and more insane.

[Rakshazi]

Basically the devs forgot the lessons of Heavensward and made the classes too complicated with too many layers again, some classes got easier, some classes got a lot harder, most classes had at least one layer added to them, some several, and they feel worse overall for it, especially as mechanics in encounters get more and more complicated as the arms race of encounter design gets progressively more and more insane.

NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

[reyre]

NO, please STOP! STOP. ther is no too complicated jobs in the game ATM. Let us have at least some level of APM enjoyment! Don't post things like that! Please!

They were always easy, nothing has changed, high APM doesm mean the class is good or it plays good i mean look at BLM its not a super high APM class and it plays super smoothly, look at SMN is it not kind of spammy?
Then you have classes like NIN that have high APM and a nice flow (sure abit on the clipping side of things). So having High APM doesnt mean a more difficult nor more interesting job. I would arther have nice skill "feel and flow" than a high APM. Like DRG

[Rakshazi]

They were always easy, nothing has changed, high APM doesm mean the class is good or it plays good i mean look at BLM its not a super high APM class and it plays super smoothly, look at SMN is it not kind of spammy?
Then you have classes like NIN that have high APM and a nice flow (sure abit on the clipping side of things). So having High APM doesnt mean a more difficult nor more interesting job. I would arther have nice skill "feel and flow" than a high APM. Like DRG

Well, then play the jobs that are smooth and leave for the likes of me the high APM jobs, because we ENJOYING it. Seriously the way requsts like that (about simplifying the jobs) sounds for me like if the person loves the look of a sport car with mechanic box but can't ride it, but he loves the way car looks so much that he actualy writes a petion to make the car with automatic box! NONSENSE! You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!

[MaelleRiou]

I don't think people should get really caught up in APM. Machinist has higher APM than Summoner. Machinist feels really smooth and enjoyable to play. Summoner is a clunky mess that trips over it's own feet.

You can have a higher APM job that plays smoothly and you can have a lower APM job that feels awful.

[reyre]

Well, then play the jobs that are smooth and leave for the likes of me the high APM jobs, because we ENJOYING it. Seriously the way requsts like that (about simplifying the jobs) sounds for me like if the person loves the look of a sport car with mechanic box but can't ride it, but he loves the way car looks so much that he actualy writes a petion to make the car with automatic box! NONSENSE! You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!

Hmm and? i never said that having high APM was bad, it seems that you dont understand what my point is. Also your metaphor is asinine and completly absurd, if they change jobs to have lower APM " You either love the car and LEARN to ride it (play the job as it is) or don't touch it at all and let the people who actualy invested their time in learning the car (job) and how it controls!" See? same argument. As you said Nonsense.

Either way mocking your example is not the point.

[Dyvid]

They want some jobs to be busier than other to make something for everyone.