Abuse of the TOS. Loophole regarding griefing/trolling. Needs a solution.

[GothicDolly]

If you're at public places there will always be players interrupting you, intentionally or unintentionally. Where do we draw the line. Sorry that it sucks for you, but I'll never advocate for the ability of people to report others for basicaly just being there, who tells me I wont end up being reported for sitting on that bench that RPers "claimed" for their RP? If you port in where I sit and my head ends up in your crotch, is it reportable? How can I prove it wasn't my fault?

When have people unlearned to cope with minor inconveniencies, and instead started calling for some authority to ban everything that incoveniences them? Now it's infesting gaming as well.

Come on, you're an adult , and a group of random players just following you around in an online game without even doing anything throws you off? Really?

You make good points. I think the best solution that would put both sides at peace would be to have it where blacklisting another player causes their character to vanish from your end locally. No reports filed, no foul words exchanged, out of sight of out of mind. There are online games that have a blacklist like this, but since I doubt Enix are going to take into consideration one person's idea for a feature, eh.

To me, a public place is a public place. Whether it be in a video game, or real life. If you're having a midnight dinner with your husband at a Restaurant--and ten strangers dressed as clowns surround your table then start to dance and wave around flashlights, would you not be annoyed? Even more so if they refused to move because it's "a public space"? It would be irritating, you wouldn't want them there. Even worse if they refuse to leave. It'd be harassment. Normal people do not get that close to other people like that. It's malicious because they know you don't want them there. You told them so.

I get it. FFXIV is a game. But like, no matter how you spin it, the same principal applies. It's harassment. These people are purposely bothering me, I tell them to stop, they don't. So while yes I can just "get over it", just know that they are breaking the TOS while simultaneously being immune to it. I am a player, I am being stalked and purposely annoyed, that's that.

[RoyalBeef]

Second Life has an option like that where you can basically right click someone and derender them. That would be a possibility. If it's for me they can even open a special RP instance of every zone where RPers can go, and where special rules apply, bc it would take someone to actively go out of their way to disturb people there, so they get what's coming to them.

I also get people pulling trials early just to wipe the party and be an asshole. I shrug it of and move on, no amount of complaining or getting them banned would make my life any better. So they had their 20 seconds of troll glory and their 12 yr old friends will listen in awe to their stories of their heroic deed. Good for them I guess ^^

[GothicDolly]

Alas, there isn't much else I can say regarding this situation besides asking for assistance on my next..."phase of action"?

I don't want to be annoying by posting in the forums each and every day with the same topic, I don't even plan on it, however that's why I'd like one or more of you to give me some advice.


Long story short, I want to make it my goal to get Enix to implement the "improved" blacklist I had in mind. Yes it might be crazy and pointless to try, but just the tiny chance of them listening would help not only me but a lot of other players I'm sure. So where would I go on the forums for such a task? Is there some kind of "suggestions" section that devs and gms read?

[Celestene]

If those people in question follow you - you can report harassment as far as stalking. I used to have a player follow me and spam emotes, even after I blacklisted. I would teleport zones and they would actually search me and follow me to said location. So I reported that person and they just disappeared I assume jailed. /shrug

This. I know they suspended one guy as he made a board to complain about it. If you are going to act like a troll they deserve it. I never feel bad about it.

[Kaethra]

Are people really that fragile? Go RP somewhere private then, Jesus. Or even better, pause RPing and rather invest that time to work on your coping skills.

Why would you condone stalking? Lets not condone creepers creeping. That's how people cross lines and do things weird or dangerous outside the game.

If you're looking for RPers to do any of the actions the OP listed, that's stalking, that's creepy, and its gross. Like I said, leave them be. Its 2019 they're not hurting anyone. Don't be a creeper.

[Lunavi]

If it's for me they can even open a special RP instance of every zone where RPers can go, and where special rules apply, bc it would take someone to actively go out of their way to disturb people there, so they get what's coming to them.

This right here is 100% a feature I whole-heartedly approve of considering that they now have multiple instances for some zones. It would solve so much friction between role-players and non-roleplayers as people who are not into it can just never enter those instances, and role-players have a place where they can roleplaying without too much immersion breaking shenanigans, which would if it happened be fully reportable as it would be obvious the person is a griefer and get banned SOLELY from RP instances.

There are so many issues something like this would solve.

[xxvaynxx]

If you're at public places there will always be players interrupting you, intentionally or unintentionally. Where do we draw the line. Sorry that it sucks for you, but I'll never advocate for the ability of people to report others for basicaly just being there, who tells me I wont end up being reported for sitting on that bench that RPers "claimed" for their RP? If you port in where I sit and my head ends up in your crotch, is it reportable? How can I prove it wasn't my fault?

When have people unlearned to cope with minor inconveniencies, and instead started calling for some authority to ban everything that incoveniences them? Now it's infesting gaming as well.

Come on, you're an adult , and a group of random players just following you around in an online game without even doing anything throws you off? Really?

You draw the line when someone does it intentionally obviously?

Some of your points are quite exaggerated, obviously if you just poof on someone character they're not going to get mad or anything, or just sit on the bench they happen to be RP'ing at, roleplayers don't really "clam" spots either...at least from what I seen.

I don't RP much but I have seen people intentionally just run up with their group of friends and just strip to their small clothes and basically spam emotes and the wine bottle glass emote.

You're really picking and choosing what to reply to ignoring the fact this is about people that are doing it for the sole reason to annoy the RolePlayers.
I'll say this is Griefing if anything.

Nobody is complaining about randoms following, its that they're following AND being a pest by spamming emotes to "intentionally" annoy you which actually is against the ToS.

Problem is, its hard to prove, more so if they turned their emote text off.
The best thing you can do is report as they're doing it.

This right here is 100% a feature I whole-heartedly approve of considering that they now have multiple instances for some zones. It would solve so much friction between role-players and non-roleplayers as people who are not into it can just never enter those instances, and role-players have a place where they can roleplaying without too much immersion breaking shenanigans, which would if it happened be fully reportable as it would be obvious the person is a griefer and get banned SOLELY from RP instances.

There are so many issues something like this would solve.

They already kinda have this, don't go to balmung. If RP bothers someone that much don't go to ul'dah or just don't visit balmung.
The open RP is mostly at ul'dah sooo....

[Alleo]

If you're at public places there will always be players interrupting you, intentionally or unintentionally. Where do we draw the line. Sorry that it sucks for you, but I'll never advocate for the ability of people to report others for basicaly just being there, who tells me I wont end up being reported for sitting on that bench that RPers "claimed" for their RP? If you port in where I sit and my head ends up in your crotch, is it reportable? How can I prove it wasn't my fault?

When have people unlearned to cope with minor inconveniencies, and instead started calling for some authority to ban everything that incoveniences them? Now it's infesting gaming as well.

Come on, you're an adult , and a group of random players just following you around in an online game without even doing anything throws you off? Really?

Yeah OP dont be annoyed at someone stalking you with the intent to make the game for you less fun!... I mean if someone did it once as a joke fine people should maybe deal with it. But as someone who was also harrassed ingame there is a point where it becomes too much and the OP already said that they are following them. Just because this is a game does not make stalking right. Do you know how creepy it is to have people follow you? To have them stand next to you no matter what you do? Watching your every move? Having to close down your houses for public use because you know that they might come in to watch you further? (And no I dont RP)

I do hope you will never get into a situation like that yourself, especially if that person or the people try to make you look bad to others at the same time..when they return with alts to try to befriend you again so they can hurt you again and again..but if you do remember to not complain because seemingly thats totally fine..

[RoyalBeef]

Why would you condone stalking? Lets not condone creepers creeping. That's how people cross lines and do things weird or dangerous outside the game.

If you're looking for RPers to do any of the actions the OP listed, that's stalking, that's creepy, and its gross. Like I said, leave them be. Its 2019 they're not hurting anyone. Don't be a creeper.

Following someone around without doing anything in public areas is not a crime. How am I condoning stalking for pointing that out? Being creepy isn't a crime either. The worldin't your personal safe space. Don't like what people do, go to your private property. If they follow you there, now it's stalking.

Feeling creepedout is subjective, and you can't base rules and laws on feelings that have no grounding in objective reality. If someone thinks Lalas are creepy, should they be ableto get Lalas banned?

[Hazmick]

Following someone around without doing anything in public areas is not a crime.

No, that actually is stalking. Once it moves to private property it becomes tresspassing and/or breaking and entering.



If some people have the RP tag on, they are RPing. Just let them get on with it.