[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Zarabeth]

Ok, THIS is what happens when the bad guys win.

[MomomiMomi]

Viera live for 200+ years. I guess this means they should flex and murder Miqote for their average lifespan of 50 years. What point were you making?
You're assuming that one life = one revived ascian. When in truth it's probably 100, 1000 or more for one of them to be revived. Their differences in 'aether' are too vast for a 1:1 exchange.

The point is, do you view something that lives for only 10 seconds to truly be living? If you do, then that's great. But if you don't, I wouldn't blame you.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The point is, do you view something that lives for only 10 seconds to truly be living? If you do, then that's great. But if you don't, I wouldn't blame you.

Some insects only live for a couple days. they are still alive (and can be incredibly annoying).

Everything is perspective. There are people out there who have lived half of my measly 30 years and have done and experienced much more in their lives than i ever will. I have done and experienced more than some people in their 90s.

Would you say they or I have truly lived in that case?

[RyuDragnier]

Also, Emet lost the moment he decided to go on and on about how he's 'superior' to everyone else. All his years (and the not so substantial fact that we've already wasted ascians before him) should have clued him in that fighting a cornered beast is a VERY bad idea.

More that he lost the second he thought "Oh I'll get rid of them now." He could have just let us take all the power of the Lightwardens, and then throw it at the 13th shard to reverse the damage they did, giving them another shard to make a calamity with. For somebody who is supposed to think long term, he thought short term.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

More that he lost the second he thought "Oh I'll get rid of them now." He could have just let us take all the power of the Lightwardens, and then throw it at the 13th shard to reverse the damage they did, giving them another shard to make a calamity with. For somebody who is supposed to think long term, he thought short term.

Its possible that the 13th is actually irrevocably damaged and can no longer be reverted. it went past even the point of rejoining, which is where the first was headed and it would have been shrouded completely in light.

[Dualblade]

More that he lost the second he thought "Oh I'll get rid of them now." He could have just let us take all the power of the Lightwardens, and then throw it at the 13th shard to reverse the damage they did, giving them another shard to make a calamity with. For somebody who is supposed to think long term, he thought short term.

He only lost due to not knowing about Ardbert, which no one but the WoL/D and OGMinfillia knew about. Without Ardbert we would have turned into the strongest Light Warden just as he had planned once we weren't able to contain the Light on our own.

Everyone can be caught off guard.

Also neither we nor the Exarch could have taken the Light to the 13th, we were already breaking down and its explicitly stated that the Exarch would have died during the travel, he never would have made it to any Shard much less the 13th. And of course Emet couldn't take it because Light is the Ascian kryptonite.

[MomomiMomi]

Some insects only live for a couple days. they are still alive (and can be incredibly annoying).

We also have no way of knowing for sure whether they are sentient or not. And we smash them underfoot regardless, for most people, without a thought.

[Granyala]

But all humans, regardless of their beliefs, acknowledge that the pig is or was alive. Emet-Selch explicitly states "I do not consider you to truly be alive".

Well, we don't have pigs that are a 1/14th shard of a normal pig.

Though yeah: we think they are alive and still butcher them w/o remorse because: mmmh bacon!

Its possible that the 13th is actually irrevocably damaged and can no longer be reverted. it went past even the point of rejoining, which is where the first was headed and it would have been shrouded completely in light.

I think Emet explicitly states that they broke it in an overly eager attempt at fixing stuff.

[Edax]

This is a good question.

Would it be wrong to kill billions of people to give the future children after immorality? And not just your own, but every newborn? Trading billions of lives to extend of lives of your offspring and the offspring of everyone you know?

It depends entirely on consent.

We also have no way of knowing for sure whether they are sentient or not. And we smash them underfoot regardless, for most people, without a thought.

We have plenty of ways to know whether or not they are sentient. Civilizations are actually quite easy to detect. We understand that bees have an organized hierarchy but that most of their actions are autonomic, not sentient.

[Black_Wing]

They have won... Seven times now. Every rejoining/calamity is a win for them.